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December 1- 2007

Dear Asif S. of India,

OH MAN, STAY WHERE YOU ARE.

I'm speaking as a second-generation Canadian of immigrant parents, so I know the Canadian culture like the back of my hand.  I'm still trying to break the glass ceiling since I graduated from U of T.  The excuses that Canadians will throw at you to deny you work in your choice field will be plentiful and ridiculous.  I'm exactly what employers claim to want from my generation: tech-savvy, multi-tasking, competent writing and communication skills.  They'll STILL guide me toward low-paying girly jobs and cite lack of technical experience as the excuse.  I don't even HAVE experience in girly-type office jobs!  Hah!  See?  You'll run into this hypocrisy everyday, trust me.

Stay where you are, or at least until Canada reforms their immigration problems.  Canada needs immigrants.  Immigrants will squander their bargaining power if they come now.  Wait it out and try again later.  Good luck to you.

Just glad to chip in with my two cents.
Tiffany L. Toronto, Ontario.


December 2- 2007

Asif,
That depends on many things.  Your qualifications, field of expertise.  In general, all of your Indian/foreign credentials will be considered as garbage.  From there you have to start.  It is up to you how you shape.  Canada is not like US that you land with a status and the your life will take it's own course with endless of opportunities.

Unless you have any strong personal reference, to land in a office job is next to impossible.  Some people even with high qualifications feel happy to continue menial jobs for the rest of their life.   Most repent for the entire life losing their life long savings chasing wild Canadian goose and living in poverty.

If you really want to make it fruitful, then consider to go to any higher degree/school in Canada which has co-op provision.  Only that may somewhere warrant you good job.  Best utilization would be to move into the USA with a Canadian degree and passport.

There are lots of fraud consultants around.  Be aware of them.  If they claim to be the member of CSIC then you can find them here: http://www.csic- scci.ca/find/
Good Luck.
Shah. Florida.


December 3- 2007

I'm in university and I'm writing an essay on immigration.  I found this website an excellent, easy to maneuver website!  Is there any way for me to have the graphs as an appendix on my essay? I can't seem to copy or print them. I will reference them correctly, of course.
Thanks.
Brittany. Quebec.

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December 4- 2007

It seems very hard to get an interview card for professional job without any Canadian degree. Though I have many years experiences working with international agencies and institutions including Canadian academic institute.
Ashish. Canada.


December 5- 2007

Hello!

Thank goodness that I found your site before starting immigration process! This forum completely changed the picture and definitely saved me not only time and money but also health and nerves. Just another chance to remind myself - better to be the first in a village than the last in a city.

Best wishes and good luck to all of you!
Vadim, Russia


December 6- 2007

Dear Shah,
I have been reading this forum for 5 months now and I must say I'm really discouraged to go to Canada. Still some part of me wants to push through with our immigration.  As I submit this comment our passports are now being stamped with immigrant visa.  It is very hard for me to decide whether we should go and try our luck or just forget about it.  We have already invested some our savings in this Canadian dream. We are currently living in UAE on resident visa.  My husband has a good paying job here, but I'm afraid once he get sacked we will be forced to go back to our native country. He also has a pending application for H1-B in the US as a telecom engineer. 

His skills are not honored here as well, he is underrated but as long as the pay is good that's alright with us.  So I was thinking that maybe since we have experienced to be second class citizens, we will cope better in Canada?  Before we leave this country we will recall his application for H1-B here and we will try to continue the processing in Canada. How long does it take to process H1-B in Canada?

Is it a wise decision to leave his current employment? We are hoping he's competitive enough to land a job in a telecom industry in Canada. Even if he is going to be under-rated, as long as it could make ends meet.

Is there an accelerated BSN course in Vancouver?

I have learned a valuable lesson... you can never be treated equal with locals.  If you want to be a first class citizen, it can only happen in your originating country.
Marie B. UAE.


December 8- 2007

Marie B. UAE,

"We are hoping he's competitive enough to land a job in a telecom industry in Canada. Even if he is going to be under-rated, as long as it could make ends meet."

My suggestion is; be optimistic, but realistic as well.  Unless God help you directly in some way, forget about landing a job according to his skills, no matter how well qualified he is.  Canada is not USA that you only need skills to establish.  Like your husband, there are many others in the field, also lots of Canadians there as well.  Who'll win?  Only the lucky ones who have both qualifications and strong personal recommendations.

Isn't there any way?  May be.  If you can go for a local degree, course which has warranted internship.  Most of the jobs there are filled from the internship.  As immigrants, if you don't have any intern experience then only local degree also may not help you anyway.  Also, you have to consider age factor too.  Not many employers would prefer a middle age man competing with a young energetic blood.

If both of you do some menial jobs that can provide you to barely survive as Canadian living is very expensive.  Worse part is, then your life will be stuch there and the situation will only be deteriorated.

If I were you, then I would consider Australia way ahead of Canada.  Canada can be preferred only if you have the ultimate goal to move to the USA.  In Canada, immigrant unemployment rate is 37%, whereas national average is 5.8%.  This should give you a little idea about how immigrant friendly Canada is and where you are heading.  Also remember, the rest who are employed aren't doing all professional jobs, most are doing menial jobs with high qualifications.  This 37% ones are those who even couldn't find a menial surviving job.  Also, social assistance seekers aren't included here.  In Australia, the immigrant unemployment rate is 5.6%, just above the national average of 5.5%.

The best utilization of Canadian immigration is to use it as a step stone for the USA.  If you have a Canadian degree & citizenship then the US door is widely open for you.  Though you have to wait for some years.  With your husband qualifications he even may not need any more degree to land a job there.  As it looks like he already got one.  It is correct that as a foreigner you always will have some problems, extra challenge.  In mid east, you have good job with no permanent status, in Canada most likely the opposite.  In US, kind a in between.  You will have job, and temporary status, have to wait for some more years to have the permanent residency. Other than that, in USA you won't find any other major challenge as a foreigner. 

Now H-1.  Officially, there is not any conventional processing time for the H-1 like immigration visa.  Every year, 65000 H-1 visas are issued (+20000 more for the US degree holders and some more).  No. of applicants always exceed the total applicants and hence they have to select by lottery.  H-1 period starts from October each year, and to get that quota your application must be filed in the first week of April by your employer or their attorney.  Otherwise you won't get the quota for that year.  It doesn't matter whether you are in Canada, UAE, or even in the USA for that as H-1 is not issued by the overseas embassies.  It is centrally issued by the US Homeland Security from the USA, NOT from any US consulate overseas.  Once you have the H-1 confirmation notice then you have to go to your local US consulate to have the visa stamped in your passport to enter into the USA.  This is different.  If you are from certain US visa waived countries then you don't need to go to consulate.

Good Luck.
Shah. USA.


December 9- 2007

I worked for the national health service for almost 7 years in UK, completed residency in obstetrics and gynecology, been in active service for the last 17 years. I used to be the head of the department as well. Now I am a CANADIAN CITIZEN, and I am required to do Canadian medical council after all these years. You would obviously appreciate that scoring basic medical qualification will not help me as such since I have been a surgeon all these years. Why don't do something to improve my abilities in areas I need help such as laparoscopic surgery  or  diagnostic medical sonography. As far surgery is concerned I got lot of experience. I do not have problems with it for god sake give us a chance. I was trained in England yet my residency is not acceptable it is just beating about bush most unfair.

I think a more logical approach is needed to have positive thinking about immig graduates, we do have good skills. As well I operate more than a thousand people each year. Do not underestimate us.
Thank you.
Ayub. Canada.


December 10- 2007

Marie B. UAE
Shah pretty much summarized what you will face once in canada. You'll have permanent residency there but to what avail? No "canadian experience" means that NOBODY will hire your husband even at a lower level of expertise. "foreign" credentials in the hands of "landed immigrants" (the canadian name for residents.... dreadful name) are rubbish even if they are from the UK, the US (believe me on this since I experienced it first hand and met other US graduates here doing call center work). So, education-wise, you'll go back to when you finished high school which explains the crappy jobs most of us got there.

Canadian citizenship may open the gates to the US if you or your husband can apply for jobs included in the NAFTA list; I know this from a friend/colleague that used that citizenship to get into the US and look for jobs here; it is not that easy depending on the field but you may have success in the US as that colleague has had!
Otherwise, I'll say this: if it ain't broke, don't fix it! If you still have a job in the UAE, stay there. If things go sour, I can guess that you can survive a lot longer in your country of birth with whatever savings you may have than in canada which is outrageously expensive!

I would recommend canada only for those whose lives are at serious risk; for those seeking professional career paths, FORGET IT!
Gabriel. Atlanta.


December 11- 2007

Thanks Shah and Gabriel.

I guess we will just visit Canada and return here in UAE.  We will just wait for the processing of the H1-B of my husband here.  He is already approved by the USCIS and the US consul here in UAE is asking for a lot of supporting documents regarding his employer in US. Asking for confidential documents like how much the company will gain from my husbands contract, etc.. His US based employer already submitted financial reports and still they want more documents. That is why his application is still pending. I was hoping if we re-apply it in Canada the consulate there will be more of sound mind. 

You have enlightened me.  Our main focus now is to push his H1-B application in US. All in all, Canada will just be a fallback for us.  We will use this visa to have a chance to live in US since most of my relatives and friends are already citizens there.
Thanks again.
Marie B. UAE.


December 12- 2007

Marie B,

So you are stuck with the visa issue.  It is very unfortunate that after getting the H-1 approval you are facing this.  Anyway, provide what ever docs they ask and good luck.

As a professional, Canada should be your "plan B"; "what if".  Yes, if you apply from US consulates in Canada then your process would've been easier.  BUT now don't count on that too much.  You already applied in Dubai.  So, until this is cleared you can't approach to another consulate.  They already have your record in their data base all over the world and still this is "On Process".

It is highly recommended for all before making the final move land into Canada and have a test drive for few months to explore how does it look like.  DO NOT sell your property, leave job, transfer all of your funds until doing so.
Shah. Florida.


December 12- 2007

Being an internationally trained professional with 7+ yrs experience, I find it hard to get an opportunity here, even if there are so much IT jobs available out there. It's strange if Canada favors skilled immigration if in the end people don't find their job. As for my case, I'm even ready to do voluntary work to show my skills.
Nuvin. Canada.


December 13- 2007

Hello,

I would like to direct prospective immigrants' attention to two articles in the media that shed some light on what canada is about

First, a former canadian primer minister acknowledging that he "made a mistake" for accepting cash payments from a lobbyist, although he made clear that "it was not illegal".
Apparently, canada and its inhabitants are so wealthy and so safe that they not only carry large amounts of cash with them (we are talking 200,000-300,000 dollars here) but also make payments to strangers in cash; since it is too cold it might be better to have the $$$ with you rather than going to the bank don't you think?
http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/285276

Second, the puzzling fact that collision rates are higher among those taking rookie driver education programs.
Here we can see the higher canadian standards in action; the same standards that they vigorously protect from immigrants' substandard education. Thus, they prevent immigrants from getting right what canadians have already managed to get it wrong
http://www.wheels.ca/article/47627

Happy holidays for all!
Gabriel. Atlanta, USA.


December 14- 2007

It is the first time that I  happened to read the views of a large number of immigrants like me, who are victims of the craze to come to canada with the hope of having a better life on this web site. It is a fact that we all are victims of a silent discrimination being practiced in this country, particularly in the job market. The only viable solution that I can think of is, to save some money to compensate ourselves for all the losses that we have suffered during the last couple of years, and then go back to our wonderful native lands where we belong and have a peace of mind. However, if anyone thinks he can fight the racial discrimination by obtaining university degrees and then finding a better job, to me that will be an exercise in futility, however, choice is totally an individual decision. I have seen even the second and third generations suffering in this country.

If you think your own countries have corruption, let me tell you that it exists here too, the only difference is that we all are living below the poverty line so we do not even have any time to find that out for ourselves.

Since it is my first time, I am impressed with my friends' views, and I can imagine what kind of mental agony you all must be going through. I have special sympathies for Ayub. What a waste of a talent and professionalism! Always remember that there, in some corner of a room in some God forsaken city in Canada, one like you is a victim of similar circumstances and quietly shedding tears, unnoticed, unheard of. May God Bless you all who came to this country like me, after selling everything i.e., lock, stock, and barrel, and feel hurt to see the job situation, and silent discrimination!
 - Sarbjit S. Oshawa, Ontario.


December 15- 2007

A similar website has emerged, this time saying the same bad experience with New Zealand. It is www.expatexposed.com.
Lurker. New Zealand.


December 16- 2007
An interesting population profile released in http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/071204/d071204a.htm
Perhaps when more immigrants become decision and policy makers for the country then the unfair, discriminatory situations of the present system may be improved.
Dunlop. Winnipeg.


December 22- 2007
I'm very delightful to know there is such website that helps along those immigrants. However, I also have one question to ask you if you don't mind.

I'm a 4th year student in Assumption University, Thailand in the faculty of B.B.A. majoring in Accounting who's going to graduate in March, and I'm very interested in being an immigrant there. I've contacted Pricewaterhousecooper and asked for any possibilities for individuals to be accepted at new entry to work in Canada. It turned out that it's quite difficult to hire one. They say that I at least must fit under these three categories to be minimally qualified:  Canadian Citizens, Canadian Permanent Residents, 3. International students who completed their degree at an approved Canadian university.

For me, I'm just a new graduate with no experience in working in Canada. I've heard about working holiday so any suggestions from you would be highly appreciated. I'm looking forward to receiving your reply since I'm very interested in working there.
Thank you,
Nitiya. Thailand.


December 23- 2007

Hi,
I find this as a very useful website.  So the conclusion is Canada is not the best place for immigrants.  How about Australia ?  Do anyone have knowledge, how is the job market over there?  Is there any similar website for immigrants ?
Please share your experience and knowledge about Australian's labour market.  I am Finance professional with 20 years of job experience with large multinational company.  What are my chances of finding a suitable job there?
Regards.
Jasbeer.


December 29- 2007
Back last January my wife and I met this very charming and persuasive gentleman from Canada representing his company (WillisBrazolot & Co) and told of this mystical land of riches, happiness and a life you can only dream of, so my wife and I sat there with a sense of bewilderment and wonder of how could we see this wondrous land so far from the tax grabbing lieing hoards of government henchmen and women that want to rob you of your very life as a British Citizen, and signed away with the excitement of a child opening a present and telling ourselves that the promised land awaits and how our child grow up in the fairy tale land of promised riches.

So off we came to this wondrous land for our interviews with these champion of champion company's who tell of their great wealth and triumphs over their rivals and the promise of the company credit card ,company phone and vehicle and how they will make you a king amongst kings, so you pack all your belongings your hard earned savings and bid a fond farewell to you family and friends and set off to the promised land never to return to the bad memories of yesteryear in the old country.

Now in the promised land you start to find that all is not what it seemed and that all the shinny sparkle of the promise of wealth and happiness are soon to be forgotten for you are now a thorn in the side of your employer for asking, why sire is it that as a British subject must I pay such vast amounts of money to come here and prove that all my skills and trade from Britain are as much use as the mudflap on the turtle over there, when as a Canadian all you need do is attend school for 4 to 8 weeks and you will be as skilled as a British skilled construction worker, and so the king of the company then abandons you to the wilderness without any means of feeding or supporting your family, and so you go back to the very charming gentleman who brought you here with all the promises of wealth and untold riches and ask why is this happening please help me.

So as the weeks draw on you tell yourself that all will be OK knowing only to well that your life of riches ,wealth and happiness was nothing but a dream that has now turned into a living nightmare from which you do not seem to wake up from, and how you have to beg you landlord not to throw you out because you cannot now afford to pay the rent, and why on Christmas morning you are crying as you watch your child open presents that other folk have bought because you had no money to by yourself, because the bureaucrats would not let you go to work and earn the wages needed to buy that present, and have your child tell you it will be alright daddy we have each other that`s what matters not presents. This is no fairy tale this is how I have had to spend my last 6 weeks here in Canada and would not want anyone else go through what my family and i have gone though. We have no money left and no means of getting back the wonderful job and life I left behind in the UK and say to anyone thinking of coming here PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, think longer and harder than ever before, the grass is not always greener on the other side.
Yours truly,
Steve R. Ontario.


December 30- 2007

Rod hit the nail on the head.

This all comes down to elitist attempts of population reduction.  Their goal is to reduce us from the 6 or 7 billion we are today to half a billion.  So naturally, yes, they would see us as cattle.

Rod, the way they live with themselves is based on human psychology.  It is the same way a nazi concentration camp guard lived with himself.  They flood themselves with pleasures, vanities, narcissism, and hope that it will drown out whatever little bit of conscience they were born with.

This is why they will fail.  For the same reason an alcoholic hits rock bottom and crashes.  You can't go on forever denying the truth.  Their kids see their parents for what they are for, and rebel.

Maybe their parents are racist, but the child naturally wants to explore the beauty of other cultures.

The trick is to do what Tifanny recommends.  Segregate.  Form groups like the Chinese do.  Create local economies.  This way you rely on one another as a community and support each other, rather than giving your business to multinational corporations like bestbuy or wal-mart (Who treat their own employees very badly to say the lease).

If your computer is broken, seek out your local technician.  If you need to buy a new car, seek out your local salesman, etc... etc... We will win this.
Moishe.


December 31- 2007

Australia is a far more better choice than Canada as a professional.  There you wouldn't hear much about doctors driving cab or Engineers flipping burgers. 

Read something that I wrote in Dec 8 post.  In Australia the immigrant unemployment/poverty rates are almost even with the national average; in Canada those rates are many times higher than the locals.  It should tell you something.  Unless you have a long term goal to use Canada as a step stone for the USA then shouldn't think twice and apply for Australia instead.
Shah. USA.

 

 

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November 1- 2007

Very informative website especially for those in CIC problems, like me.
Ehsan. Pakistan.


November 2- 2007

It is very difficult for immigrants to get the first step in to the market I imagine. It has been 3 month since I started to look around for a good job and I get almost no reply. I really appreciate your help. Thank you very much.
Nobuo. Canada.


November 2- 2007

I have extensive experience with multinational companies overseas. However, I was not able to get into Canadian job market and was not able to get Canadian experience that companies require. I am willing to start as an inexperienced engineer, to get familiar with engineering culture here and to gain experience.
Zulfiqar. Alberta.


November 2- 2007
Shocking article on condemnable police irrationality:
'Right away they Tasered him'
'Before they even got to him,' cops keen to stun distraught immigrant
http://www.canada.com/theprovince/news/story.html?id=89cf810e-0378-45a4-ae2d-baecf6c5c06d

We send our most sincere condolences to the family of Robert Dziekanski
Canadaimmigrants Team


November 6- 2007
I appreciate your work. I think it's important that the Government of Canada takes in consideration the knowledge of professional immigrants. In my opinion, the government is interested in people from Latin America to come here and do the hard jobs. It's sad and deceiving to see so many educated people working in cleaning, construction, painting, etc. In my case, I'm a Sociologist working as a dishwasher. I tried to get a different job, but there are too many barriers.

In my experience, I think that there is no political will to consider the professional people. It should be useful programs for professionals.
Salvador. Scarborough, Ontario.


November 13- 2007

I'd like to tell my story and see if someone can give me some advice. I came to Alberta 7 months ago as a temporary worker. I worked in a warehouse. At the beginning I noticed the place where we lived. I didn't like it neither its price. I shared the living room in the basement with two people. We were 8 people living there and we paid 400 dollars for it. Another thing that I noticed was that we worked the nightshifts and they pressured us to work overtime. At the beginning it was in a nice way, then one of our supervisors didn't give us our time cards, he told us that we had to work overtime. In general we worked one or two extra hours, but we were criticized if we wanted to leave at the end of a regular shift. We noticed that when a Canadian wanted to leave early nobody bothered him.

Later on I realized that the rent was extremely high even when my bosses told me that I wouldn't find a cheaper place that this one (where they placed me). I moved out. Even when I never signed a rental contract, I notified them about it. My contract a job contract, so it didn't mention anything about a rent. The company didn't like my decision, so it kept charging me for the rent of the place. I made a complaint and they fired me. I worked for 6 months, and they wanted me to sign a voluntary resignation and to take my tickets to go back to my country the next day. I asked them why, and one of the bosses told me that they didn't have any reason and they didn't have to explain anything. Now, I'm looking for a job (LMO), but the sites I've tried haven't replied to me. Where could I find some help in Alberta?
Alejandro B. Alberta.


November 17- 2007

I thought that Canada would have been a good place to migrate to. I left excellent jobs back in Guyana and now I am here with an M. Sc. in Agriculture and employers treat me less than a high school kid.

Everyone is saying that we immigrants need Canadian experience. How are we going to get Canadian experience if no one wants to hire us? I do hope that you guys can link me with something in Agriculture.
Dalchand. Ontario.


November 18- 2007

I'd like to know if there is discrimination against immigrants who stand out in their job, or if Canadian-born people personally disregard them.
L. Vazquez. Santa Cruz, Bolivia.


November 20- 2007

L. Vazquez,

Good question.  I never bring this as this question is way way far from most immigrants, contributors here.  First you have to get a jobs then that question may come. For you, there is an interesting study performed by Catalyst Canada in 2006. Results are summarized below:

1.In Catalyst Canada's survey of 17,000 employees in the Canadian workplace, which was conducted to help find out how visible minorities are faring, questions about foreign credentials were asked. Here are some of the findings.

2.1,708 respondents (10 per cent of the survey sample) reported having foreign credentials

3. 72 per cent identified themselves as visible minorities; 22 per cent identified themselves as White/Caucasian

4. 47 per cent of the visible minorities with foreign degrees felt their employers did not recognize their credentials as being on par with equivalent Canadian degrees; only 27 per cent of White/Caucasian employees with foreign degrees felt the same way.

5. 26 per cent of respondents with foreign credentials said they planned to explore career opportunities outside Canada.

Source: Career Advancement in Corporate Canada: A focus on Visible Minorities - Survey Results. Published by Catalyst Canada and The Diversity Institute in Management and Technology, Ryerson University.

Hope this will give little idea about what's next in case; by the mercy of God the Almighty can overcome the impassable barrier of entering into the job field.

Good luck to all.
Shah. Florida.


November 24- 2007

About the cost of living and why Canada is so expensive, is came and create by high TAX and also from government of Canada like housing. Over 80% of Canada land belong to the government and they are not willing to release this land to public, because more expensive land and housing they collect more TAXES, created by city assessment each years city add some extra numbers on the property and land some times with no reason. I recommended immigrants to stay far from this place is not good country because is so expensive and rest of the life as an immigrant can live here like slaves and pay TAX and die ...before he or she buy home or start own life, family, or better after land in Canada 100% granted to become loser, there is not enough resources for immigrants, and few white Canadians are support rich owned almost over 70% of everything in Canada, and why we have so many poor, homeless, crimes because so many are Canadian going to give up, about own dreams, better life. I hope this information helps you understand; Canada from out side looks nice but from inside, oh my God stay far from this place.
Hossein. Victoria, Canada.


November 30- 2007

I would like to take this opportunity in introducing myself as Asif S. from India. I am seriously dwelling upon Canada Immigration and badly seeking valuable advice. I don't have any of my acquaintances in Canada so I am requesting to take trouble and advise me. I came to know about this site through Internet search. 

Being a prospective immigrant, I have certain skeptic views related to immigration and which needs to be demystified. I am in the process to hire Worldwide Immigration Consultancy Services, which claims to be member of Canadian Society of Immigration Consultants and I am not very sure about the authenticity of this consultancy. 
    
The aspect of my apprehension is that, frankly speaking I belong to a lower middle class family with a deep concern of my liabilities and to take care of my dependent parent. I possess a meager wealth, which I would be entirely investing for immigration through the Consultancy. In case if I fail to prosper my career and life in Canada the result can devastate my life bringing me to insolvency since my financial status is not even moderate. From your own personal experience kindly suggest me that pragmatically would it be a wise idea to immigrate or would it be my biggest mistake of my life to take such a decision considering my financial condition?

I shall be very thankful if a brotherly advice is given to me for my apprehensiveness and a true guidance if everything is okay to immigrate.
Thanking you in anticipation,
Asif S. India.

 

 

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October 1 - 2007

I hope you guys can publish my story in your web page. Cheers.

I used to work for a large Canadian company in Mexico City named Nortel, and to tell you true I enjoyed so much working for this company the environment was nice, pretty much all the people working there were very skillful and I had the chance to interact with people from many countries since it is a multinational company with offices, factories and research centres around the globe, in the news a read that this company actually was the pride of Canada. There I received training to become a project manager professional (PMP) from the Project Management Institute (PMI) located in Philadelphia and actually I became one of the very fist PMP´s in the country. I can´t say that I was the best PMP, however I tried very hard to always do my best. After 4 and a half years working there I received and offer to work for another company: Lucent Technologies which is an American company, there I received a lot more training and a lot more experience, I received the most of my training in the US, in locations like Piscataway New Jersey, Raleigh North Carolina, Orlando Florida, Columbus Ohio and many others, at that time I was in charge of the deployment of a nationwide cellular company. Then with 4 years savings I bought an apartment in a nice neighborhood in cash.  I remembered very nicely the time I spent working for Nortel, and then I decided that I was still very young, I didn’t have anybody depending on me and I wanted to live the adventure of moving to Canada, my plan was that even if I didn’t succeed I still could go back and there was going to be my place waiting for me and most of all I was willing to work at the beginning even in a restaurant doing anything as long as after a period of time I could get a job related to my field of expertise. I knew that I might not get rich but I hoped to eventually get a decent job.

I decided to apply to become a permanent resident in Canada, after all the process involved I finally I arrived to Vancouver BC. Once I get there I spent all my time preparing resumes and sending them to as many companies as possible even personally and in the mine time as a backup plan I also took resumes very simplified to café shops and fortunately I got a job as a cook (later I was promoted to chef). After two years very hardly trying to get a better job, trying to establish contacts within the industry I received ZERO offers. I never got not even the chance to get feedback telling me that may be I needed more experience or that my credential were not enough, There was a point in which I even forgot that I actually had gone to the university (by the way I was first in class) and that I had obtained 8 years of experience in the telecommunications industry. There was a point in which I thought that actually I was made to wash dishes, even in my church they saw me as a dish washer (sometimes I helped to wash the dishes). At that time my former girlfriend came to visit me and she was astonished when she knew what I was doing there. Actually I didn’t care much about it, but she helped me to realize that I was so wrong. In my job I had a problem with the boss of my boss and he fired me (two weeks later he was fired for laziness), I applied for the job insurance and I ran out of money (my roommate told me that two weeks after I left they called me) and I had to got back to my country so defeated. Only one week after I arrived I received an offer to work for an American company (Siebel Systems) and my salary was 4 times more than the one I had washing dishes. I worked there during 2 years more leading projects until I decided to start my own company with 50 000 USD  saved during those two years. The first year my company grew 400% the second year 200% the third year 200%, and currently I am in the fourth year which hopefully will be approximately the same. Now I can say that I make in one day what I managed to save during 2 years working so hard washing dishes in Canada, I give jobs to 10 people (supporting 10 families). And I hope to dedicate all my effort to make my country a better place instead of using my life to make Canada a place free of dirty dishes.
Jose L. USA.



October 2- 2007

Hi,
I am a C.A./Cost and Works Accountant with a LOT of I.T. skills acquired over the last 14 years. Owing to some foolishness i wanted to immigrate to Canada. I have now got my permanent landing rights, I just have to stamp my passport and arrive there. I have wasted around 2200 USD in this process, but your website helped me take the decision to NOT, i repeat NOT even stamp my passport. I think the place where i am staying now U.A.E. is far more tolerant, far less racist and far more prosperous than this country of yours. Keep up the good work. You saved me thousands of dollars more in relocation costs which I would have lost if I hadn't made up my mind.
Balaji. U.A.E.


October 3- 2007

I would like to discuss Multiculturalism and its intents and objectives versus Canadian Experience.

 We have on the one hand in the Multiculturalism Policy of Canada Act: 3.(1)(e) ensure that all individuals receive equal treatment and equal protection under the law, while respecting and valuing their diversity;

And we have on the other hand employers who demand "Canadian Experience" - whereby individuals with work experience from other countries are, effectively and subtly, barred from employment;

How is it possible to reconcile the Two?
Mubeen. Brampton, Ontario.


October 3- 2007

Attention to all who want to emigrate and those who are newcomers to Canada:  Refer to this table often to know the course of your careers in this land full of crappy jobs.  If you were to place some sort of 'equivalency' to your previous jobs in your home countries and the jobs this crappy country can offer, refer to this table from time to time. The information in this table was developed out of my interviews of friends and relatives who live in this crappy country.  Even though you are qualified to pursue with your previous job specialties, however the narrow-minded and crappy human resource specialists will always stick to their belief that your job experiences are always equivalent to crappy positions and titles in this so-called 'great' country.

CANADIAN JOB EQUIVALENCIES

Previous 'Third World'             Canadian
Country Jobs                       Equivalents
                                       
Engineering                                    (8 to 12$/HR)
Chemical Engineer                          Materials Handler
Civil Engineer                                 Industrial Cleaner
Instrumentation Engineer                 Forklift Operator
Electronics and Communication      Shippers/Recievers
Mechanical Engineer                      General Warehouse
Electrical Engineer                          General Labour
                                                      Flipping burgers
                                                      Technician
                                                      Light Packaging
                                                      Light Assembly
Medical
Physician and Specialist           PSW's
Nurses                                   Caregivers
Dentists                                  Dental Assistant

Academic
School Teacher                     Doing burritos
University Professor               Customer Service
                                             Coin Laundry Rep

Office
Accountants                          Data Entry
Office Administrator              Office Assistant
Insurance Agents                   Customer Service
Executive Assistant                Clerical
Economist                             Operator
                                            Tim Hortons, etc.

Note also the following:

Good Paying Jobs:                 (20$ and up)
Economic Analysts                 RESERVED ONLY
Physicians                              FOR WHITE
Human Resource Specialists   BRAINLESS
School Teachers                     CANADIANS
Accountants                           (Italians included)

This is how worse the Canadian Labour market is.  My advice to those who are planning to go here - if you have self respect, dignity and sense of pride - DON'T GO HERE! For those who are here doing these crappy jobs, start your plan to GET OUT OF CANADA NOW!

If you can add something to the equivalencies please do.  And also, expose this crime Canada is committing - depriving people (immigrants in particular) of their right to get good paying jobs! Its our right remember that!
Michael B. Toronto.


October 4- 2007

I am a born and raised Canadain citizen. I work along side many immigrants in the financial services sector. I think that part of the problem lies where immigrants choose to live. Do the math people, if 250k people immigrate to Canada each year, and most of them go to Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal,. then obviously you are not only competing with the born Canadians but also the other immigrants. Canada needs more than just skilled workers, Canada needs every type of worker all across the country, not just proffesors or doctors in large cities.

Do some homework before you make a life changing decision to move somwhere. I can't understand why anyone with a "degree" would go blindly to a place that they obviously know nothing about. The fact is that the skilled immigrants are needed in medium to smaller sized communities that are excellent places to live. Too often immigrants will choose to live in communities that are made up of many people like themselves, and you call the rest of us racist? Try fitting in with the rest of society and go out and meet people yourself. Don't expect born Canadians to go out of their way to great you at your front door. Remember, immigrants are not new to us, immigrating is new to you and you are the one that needs to change, not everybody else.
http://www.canadianbusiness.com/rankings/bestplacestolive/list.jsp
http://www.citymayors.com/features/quality_survey.html http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/07/10/so_whats_the_best_country/
Paul S. New Brunswick.


October 5- 2007

Hi Everybody, This is indeed a great site for all potential immigrants to read and to evaluate carefully before hastily landing to a foreign land. Followings is some interesting statistics recently released which tell it all.

Currently over 1.5 million Canadian Immigrants are working and living in the US; over 350,000 in S.E.Asia, over 80,000 in Hong Kong, and tens of thousands of Immigrants choose to return to S. Asia, Middle East, Europe, and S. America where they are from originally.

Canada is a good place to emigrate to for as long as you come from war-torn places like Darfur, Burma, Iraq and the like, or if you're caucasian. On the other hand if you're non white even though you may be rich or well educated, you'll still be taken as 2nd class citizens particularly by those naive Canucks who still maintain the mentality of a century ago, who are ignorant of the completely different picture of the other side of the globe. Please refer to websites such as canadafirst.net, canadianswatchimmigration.org, etc, one will easily realize why protectionisms are still very strong in the country, a specific race is striving hard to ensure that all key decision players, government policy-makers, major businesses, industries and good professional, senior jobs are dominated by their own race and descendants. It took more than 2 centuries for the US to wipe off most of the unequal treatments on its coloured people. Do we talented, wealthy or well educated Immigrants have to follow the course of the same footstep as the US, if so how many years will we or our children have to wait?

Lastly a friend sent me an immigrant consultant's tel in the prairies, and told me that the consultant with varies branches all over the world, is promoting heavily inside the Country by advertising that no English needed for immigrating to the prairies. This is exactly the sort of misrepresentation that thousands of immigrant consultants and lawyers are practising daily all around the world in order to help Canada to meet its annual immigrant quota of 250,000. It's already very difficult for (non white) Immigrants with good English to survive, one can imagine the harshness one faces if he/she has no English ability. When some naive Canucks keep telling Immigrants to "go home", these people should first understand why so many Immigrants are being lured to come to this bare and empty land in the first place.
Joe F. Canada.


October 8- 2007

Mubeen. Brampton,

Multiculture propaganda is nothing but a part of attracting immigrants of diverse ethnicity.  When someone wants to immigrates in a different culture, he/she wants to make sure that he can find his own culture there.  Canadian multiculture is nothing special or artificially created, it is natural with the immigrant onslaught.  It is not that Govt. created multiculture and immigrants are attracted for it.  Govt. has no control over it as per the Canadian constituency.  It has nothing to do with job availability.  Govt. also can't force any employer to hire foreigners. 

Canadian culture was very much influenced by the American since the beginning, in fact, till 60's America/Canada shared something like North American culture. However, recently with the advent of the so called multiculture, it's on the verge of total destruction.  Many Canadians don't feel any identity for themselves.   On January 31, 1995, Federal Multiculturalism Minister Sheila Finestone said in a television interview: "In my view, there isn't any one Canadian identity. Canada has no national culture."  

To me, Canada is a Dr. Jackil & Mr. Hide.  Apparently in one side it is one of the most peaceful country in the world, everyone has equal human rights, religious freedom, not any racial violence.  On the other side, it has been practicing silent discrimination for a long time in some fields; mostly in the job market.  If you can sacrifice your career, then you should be happy with this so called multiculture.  Rosy inflation of multiculture is needed to hide this Mr. Hide.  Sometimes you may see job ad with "visible minorities only need apply".  It also does the same purpose.
Shah. Florida.


October 10- 2007

Look at what the government of Canada has set up to resolve the issue of unemployment of immigrants and to resolve their issue of under-employment; he came out with some community centres to tackle this! And look at the conditions to be considered for their services (which I consider will lead to anywhere but just a waste of time).

I contacted skillsinternational.ca: they referred me to a local community centre, the day after I got a call from that centre: they ask me if I am working less than 20 hours / week, and if I have less than 3 years in Canada !!! I told her no, she told me so we are sorry, we can't help….and she referred me to an other centre….I called that centre, they refer me to an other agency…and when I called them , they refer me to the first community centre!!! I understood that it was just a waste of time as I have foreseen it. And I had to explain my situation on every call…what's a hassle.

What do you understand from these conditions? That if an immigrant has spent more than 3 years in this country he would have resolved all his problems! Or they just got worse! And his life is just ruined…and if I am under-employed (full time), I would not have the right to benefit from these crappy community centres services…and if I stop working as an underemployed or reduce my hours to 20 hours or less will the government of Canada help me to support my family and myself?... etc.

Those conditions are just another obvious proof that this country has nothing to give us, and one should flee this land asap, at the first occasion one can get.
Youssef M. Canada.


October 12- 2007

Hi everyone, I don't know why I didn't find this site months ago, but it's never late. I'm glad that we can warn people willing to leave everything in order to come here. I'm a Mexican woman, with 2 kids (1 year-old and 3 year-old) and I live in Edmonton, Alberta.

In February my husband was hired as a warehouse manager. The company went directly to our city to hire people, obviously with all the promises they offer. They told us that my kids and I will be covered with my husband's work permit, and I would be able to work too. My husband came first while I was selling our belongings, business, etc. When I arrived here, his work permit (as an engineer) was about to expire, so they told us that we had to wait for its renewal so we could be included because we came here as tourists. Since the job my husband was doing wasn't as engineer, the new permit was as a warehouse worker. Now this permit is for two years, but my kids and I can't be included, so we don't even have health care. Thanks God, we haven't had any serious illness. Only once, my kids got fever, and we tried to get an appointment to see a doctor, but we had to wait for two days, so we bought the medicine by ourselves. Fortunately it was just a cold.

It seemed that the company was going to help us, which we find hard to see because as times goes by and we see nothing. Our hope was to validate my husband's engineering degree, but after reading your comments I think we don't have many possibilities. 

In fact, we haven't spent our money because we have been waiting to see how things go; it seems that my husband's wage is not too low -he obviously works the night shift from 8 pm to 6 am- but after taxes and benefits (in Mexico benefits are 100% paid by the employer) he earns less than other co-workers since they work overtime, and my husband don't get paid for it.

The cost of living is extremely high; wages aren't enough to pay for rent, meals, transportation. I have found nothing accessible, and for 4 people it's not enough money. We have bought only basic things: a table, bed, TV and some toys that a coworker gave to us. We brought our computer from Mexico. We only have signed up for the Internet service. I'm a HR specialist, but with two kids and my tourist visa (not the one they promised to us) I can't get a job. Daycare services for each kid go from 800 to 1000 dollars per month, so it's not convenient. Kinder education starts at 5 years old, so my kids can't go to school. In Mexico, three-year old kids go to kindergarden, and in private schools they go since they are 2 years old, so my kids can't socialize neither learn English. In a private school in Mexico they could have learned more than living in here. Anyways, we have already considered to return, and after all of I have read today, that would be it. I agree with all I have read.

Definitivamente considera Canadá si no tienes alguna otra opción en tu país, el gobierno debe aclarar desde el principio el trabajo al que vas a tener acceso y no engañarte con los puntos ,sueldo y tu profesión, yo también he escrito, ido y hablado a cuanta asociación de newcomers me encuentro y nadie me ha ayudado en nada. Por otro lado si alguien soltero(a) solo quiere venir por un tiempo, sin la esperanza de encontrar un buen trabajo, obtener residencia, etc. y no le importa trabajar en lo que sea, aquí si hay mucho trabajo en todos los restaurantes, tiendas, gasolineras, constructoras, en fin suerte a todos!
Narda C. Edmonton, Alberta.


October 14- 2007

Please allow me to share with you the irony of my situation.  I am a 25 year-old Canadian citizen of Chinese descent.  I was educated in a Canadian university. 

While once I used to get calls back for job interviews, that mysteriously stopped after all the propaganda hit the news about China's economic take-over of the world.  And Chinese factory owners leaving toxic chemicals in children's toys for export.  This is something which was later acknowledged as being the responsibility of American companies based there in China.  Now it's like every blog I visit written by someone of Asian ethnicity talks about some form of recent anti-Asian backlash.

Currently I'm jobless despite having worked in this country since I was fifteen years old.

How am I supporting myself?  I'm renting a room + meals in the big house of a Chinese immigrant family.  They recently immigrated.  I'm basically their live-in interpreter so that they don't have to understand English to survive in Toronto.  I'm not in the basement either.  I have a nice room to myself.  They treat me like a member of the family.

Now, the type of white Canadians reading this, and I mean the type that regularly go, "omg!  Why can't those people just assimilate?!  They're colonizing parts of Canada and making a country within a country! oh noes!" - they're going to be asking why I don't just encourage the family to learn English and become more integrated into Canadian life.

Well, if Canadians are so ignorant as to marginalize their own fellow citizens due to the colour of their skin or their last names on a resume, how am I supposed to advise this family in good conscience to invest all the effort into becoming "assimilated" if this is going to be the reward they get?

So more power to them.  I take care of their language needs so that they can focus on their business needs.  Since I'm not needed all the time, I can easily devote time to starting my own business as well.

My advice to people out there is to create mini economies inside your segregated ethnic group.  I see no shame in self-segregation if white Canadians are going to segregate themselves at the management level of large corporations.  Ironically, this may be your best bet at adapting to Canadian life.  Think about it.  Eventually you'll reach a critical mass of non-English speakers and large corporations will need to increasingly cater their practices to serve ethnic communities.

Yes, this is coming out of the mouth of a "home-grown Canadian."
Tiffany L. Toronto, Ontario.


October 15- 2007

Hi,
It was very interesting and shocking at the same time reading about all your experiences. Let me tell you about my immigration experience:

I had lived and worked in Edmonton a few years ago with a temporary work visa and back then I loved it there and found Canadians extremely friendly and open-minded. Nobody (or only very few) seemed to discriminate me only because I was a young German. On the other hand I have to say that I had already a job when I lived there and therefore things were a little bit different.

When my one-year-visa expired I returned to Germany and applied for immigration. The costs shocked me but I still thought it was the thing I wanted to do. This summer I quit my well-paid job as an office manager in Germany, left my partner and went to Vancouver. What most of you described happened to me as well - most of the companies I applied with (for office positions I was actually overqualified for) never replied to me just because of the name on my resume. My resume was more than perfectly written since my partner who is an American had set it up for me. There was not one tiny little reason to not at least invite me for an interview. I was very qualified and had a kick-ass resume. Matter of fact I got invited to a total of 3 interviews out of about 100 applications!

In the first interview I was told me English wasn't good enough to be an executive assistant, I should start out lower, as an admin assistant maybe.

The second interview lasted about 15 minutes and the person interviewing me was pretty arrogant and seemed to feel superior to me.

The third interview I got very very lucky. I was interviewed and hired as an office manager by a black American who obviously didn't have any problem with my German accent. This job would have paid over 50.000 Can$ per year!

Anyway, believe it or not, I didn't sign the contract but left the country to go back to Germany to live with my wonderful American partner. I did feel the racism in Vancouver and I decided that I would rather be with my American and move to the US in a few years. I know that I will be confronted with racism in the US as well but I actually hope and believe that it will be better than in Canada and that I will also not be alone since my partner will be with me. It was - after all - a black American who was willing to hire me in Canada. I think that was a sign.
Birgit. Darmstadt, Germany.


October 17- 2007
Hi. My name is Bridget and I'm an American living in Canada. I realize that I may not be a "visible minority" here but please make no mistake in thinking that it makes it easier for me because there is no truth to that. I am having one hell of a time trying to find ANY job that would be willing to hire me.

I keep hearing about the shortage of workers here in Canada yet NO ONE seems to be open to hiring a foreign worker stating reasons such as expense, or inability to prove that they cannot find a Canadian worker to fill the job. Interestingly enough, jobs are posted for weeks without a single response because most Canadians are already working!!

I am so completely frustrated with the system. I feel a little bit better for finding your website as I really needed someone that might actually care to hear me! All I need to know is where I go from here and I'm hoping that someone from your organization can help! Thank you for your time and attention to this matter.
Sincerely,
Bridget K. Canada.


October 18- 2007

Hi There,
First of all I would like to thank the team that brought up this site.

I am very thankful to have been informed before hand of the reality called Canada. I think that what the government of canada is doing is plain cheating.

I have read here on this website someone saying that degrees in some countries are dubious. If that is so then the embassies of those countries should not award points to applicants of those countries. For the sake of immigration, points are awarded to some some of the third world nations and their applicants in the canadian embassy. That means that the government of canada has recognised those degrees and professional qualifications. Then how come that when the immigrants arrive they are told that they do not qualify to practice. This is gross injustice. You guys have to fight it.

I suggest that you call for a general strike. All the immigrants who are non white and who feel this discriminatory practice should strike work and start a civil disobedience campaign and court arrest. Make this small movement into a political one. Advertise in grocery stores of Asian markets and on the streets and invite Asian leaders to speak .Or you speak yourselves.

What you need to fight for are equal employment oppurtunities, Recognition of immigrant qualifications, law that makes people to be adequately represented in white collar jobs etc. The only way is to fight the injustice non violently but firmly by courting arrests and not obeying the law..
Ravi K. Sacramento, California.


October 19- 2007

I have been working here in Korea for 1 year as a professional certified teacher, teaching conversational English at a local elementary school in Yongin, Korea (45 KM south of Seoul). I have read the latest comments from several immigrants of colour, former immigrants to Canada, and even one Canadian-born non-white who I beleive is living the life as an expat.

Before my new 2007 contract came into effect, I spent 2 weeks at home in Mississauga with my family. Things were the same at home eventually and that gives a sign that unless I have a lot of money I would not be satisfied in Canada.

But here is my point, I have shared my experiences in Korea with my family and they are happy to know that I had these positive experiences. But it seems as though my family doesn't understand my reason for not moving back to Canada this year. My mother ever over exaggerated the fact that my father was unhappy for me renewing my contract to work in Korea for another year because they figured out that if there are jobs for me to work as a teacher in Ontario or Alberta, there is no reason for me to go 10,000 km away to Korea to work as a teacher in a public school.

Now, my parents came to Canada as immigrants from Jamaica in 1969 and 1971. My father worked hard to provide my sister and me with a good life and I even took advantage of it by going to University so I could be whatever I want to be.

Apparently I as a Canadian-born black man will have to agree to what I have read in some comments that come as no surprise to me. It is very true that a black man who has post-secondary education is less likely to have financial prosperity than a white man with no pos-secondary education. I remember when I was home in Canada in August I was at church, and a retired black pastor said up front from the pulpit,  "Young people of colour, make sure you get your education." I agree with him 100%, but the irony over this is the fact that people like me are less likely to get hired in the professional work field.

That is why I have decided to renew my contract to work in Korea, because I refuse to have my life wasted. I even discourage young people here in Korea from going to Canada unless they want to visit, or study. (Just a reminder that university tuition in Canada is still cheaper than in the US in spite of the high value of the Canadian dollar).

I have a prediction that in the next 20 years from now, looking at the present state of out educated immigrants of colour, there will be an increase of Canadian expats living here in the Asian continent. Most of them will be Asian-Canadians going back to their parents or grandparents home countries. Mostly China as well as Korea and even Taiwan, Vietnam, and The Philippines. China is eventually filling most of the power vacuum thanks to their annual economic growth at 10% a year (better than Canada). But not only do I predict mostly Asian-Canadian expats coming to live here in Korea, but also second generation Canadians of colour like myself. So far I have met 2 Canadians who are expats living and working here in Korea teaching English. One of them has been here in Korea for 18 years making CAD$64,444 a year!

Now I dont' know what to expect of my future, the fact is I have options in my life to pursue other avenues in my career. So far Canada wants mostly skilled tradesmen more than professionals. They want educated professionals of colour like me to wash white man's floors and work in white man's factories, just like how it was for educated African Americans in the 1950's, it is the same for educated immigrants of colour in Canada. IF that is what they want of me, then perhaps I am better off living here in Asia.

Sure my salary is not as high here, but locals would say I make a lot of money anyway because I don't have to pay for rent, my utility bills are so cheap, the cost of public transportation and even riding the train across Korea is cheap, and even eating out at a Korean restaurant is cheap. Housing and education costs are not cheap, but roadside motels are cheap.

If this compels you as a disfranchised educated Canadian citizen to come here to Korea and teach English, power to you. But may I also remind you that there are even private English institutions here in Korea that do not hire non-white English teachers, and definitely not Korean-Canadian teachers either. That is why I chose to work in the public school system, it is good for my professional teaching experience anyway. Otherwise, yes it is true that Koreans can be just as bad as the white man, racist and ignorant.

If I do return to Canada, the single biggest problem I will face is the fact that they will not even hire their own Canadian-born, Canadian-educated teacher because they will criticize me saying that I don't have the Canadian teaching experience. That will eventually result in me not spending the rest of my life in Canada because of this existing bureaucracy of work experience or qualifications. But who cares? At least I have more prep time here in a Korean school than I would teaching in Canada.

I was listening to a song by Micheal W. Smith and the words in this song goes, "Looking for a reason, longing for myself to find a place in this world." I find myself in that situation, so do several of you reading though this website. And I know it is not easy. Even if you leave Canada, you will still find a lot of hurdles.

In conclusion, all I want to say is that it is true that Canada is robbing and has robbed us of our youth after all the hard work we went through just to earn a post-secondary degree and they tell us that we are not worthy of prosperity. Stephen Harper, your days are numbered.
Sheldon. Yongin, Korea.


October 23- 2007

I'd suggest against using civil disobedience, although I know that sometimes people have no choice (the First Nations protests in Northern Ontario).  As a woman of Asian descent living within an epidemic of Asiaphilia, I probably wouldn't want to put myself in a situation where I'm in jail and gang-raped by some white guards in gross abuses of authority and then have my case downplayed by the court system.

I've found that there can be steady progress made by collectively and deliberately living your life in opposition to the unfair socioeconomic forces placed against visible minorities. 

If remotely possible, refuse to do the menial jobs "reserved" for us.  I know it's hard, but look at what members of Generation Y are doing.  Some slackers are moving back in with their parents so they don't have to pay rent and work in retail.  There is a retail shortage everywhere.  Cut corners.  Cut down on your expenses.  I'm foregoing "extras" by living a very frugal, non-materialistic lifestyle, but at the same time I feel empowered because I am putting my time and effort toward volunteering for causes I believe in. 

Network with anti-racist groups and simply start discussions with people.  It's also a good way for members of different ethnic communities to work together and find common ground.  Resist divide-and-conquer strategies by resisting the myths that one minority group is in some way better than another.  Defend other minority groups from ethnic bashing, not just your own.  One less credit card bill means more time to engage in this progressive political activity.  Meanwhile the work won't get done.  The floors won't be mopped.  And your money won't be going to corporations that discriminate against you.  The employers that chucked your resume in the trash may end up facing lay-offs of their own.

In everything there is a cause and effect.  Take control over the "effect."  What will we do when Canada discriminates against us?  It's expected that we'll be subservient and start picking up trash.  To hell with that.  Let the economy feel the pain in this increasingly competitive century of globalisation.  The only remedy they tend to throw at this is to simply increase immigration to put workers in the spots we vacated!  Let the racists howl with anger.  But they started the chain reaction.

It'll be like voting with your use of labour and time.  Don't just vote in an election.  Vote every day of your life.
Tiffany L. Toronto.


October 24- 2007
I really like the way you have broken down the cost of living for these 6 major cities. Is there any documentation you can provide for a similar analysis of cost of living for Saskatchewan, either Saskatoon or Regina. Thank you in advance.
Kevin L. Saskatchewan.


October 24- 2007

Hello,
I work in an area that deals with Foreign Credential Recognition, our group recently created a new website. I came across your web-site while searching for information about cost of living in Canada. I found the information on your site useful. I was wondering if you have the stats for other major cities in Canada. I didn't see Ottawa in the list.
Thank you,
Ahlam. Gatineau, Quebec.


October 25- 2007

This is in support of Tiffany's L. from Toronto.

Tiffany, I could not agree more with you on what you are doing and saying in retaliation to the racism issue.

I am doing exactly what you are doing.  As you have said, in most of the places where I have worked and felt that the discrimination was so obvious, I made sure to at least, set the boundaries straight and fought for fairness and equal rights for my  immigrant co-workers and my rights as well without violence, and for the most cases, it has worked.

I have adapted the same idea as yours for a long time now. Since I saw that there has not been equal opportunities for immigrants, I don't think we should play not even a bit of part in making the big corporations get bigger because those are the same ones that sees us like some sort of aliens coming from the space, the same ones that can not hide their disdainful feelings towards us for being immigrants?? Let us not be the cause of their success because they are the same ones that either shut their doors on us when we apply for employment with them, or they treat us like in the 1800 centuries if we work for them.

Just to give you an idea to all of you on how I am retaliating back to them, I consider having the internet a luxury, and that's how far it goes, and the rest of my life, is just enhancing my self with education and healthy eating habits. But as far as any other spending goes, I have a 14 inch 20 years old TV, don't contribute to the cable companies, don't rent movies, I borrow them from the library if ever I feel like watching a movie, don't contribute to luxury clothing shopping, as a matter of fact, for the most part, I make sure to go to the thrift store shops to do most of my shopping, don't have a car because that is a big contribution to many different corporations.  I try my level best not spend a penny so that I won't keep the big companies getting bigger because they are the same ones that see me as like some sort of dirt for being an immigrant.

I guarantee to all and I mean all the immigrants in Canada that if all of us adapted the same idea, we would be able to see all those big greedy racist companies crash down to their knees.

What would they do without the profits that hundreds of thousands of immigrants provide to them???

Let's let them have a taste of their own medicine. We will not win this battle by just complaining and taking the abuse, but by doing something about it, and acting on it.

So, cheers to all of you and let's keep this non violence retaliation up.

Cristina O. Edmonton, Alberta.

Thanks too all of the canadaimmigrants.com brothers and sisters.  Cheers to your excellent meaningful contribution to the immigrants.


October 26- 2007

It is simply my pleasure to get some momentum going, Cristina O.

Here is one idea that has occurred to me.

Notice the lucrative ESL industries around us.  You'd need to pay an outstretched hand to get certified.  Then you help the ESL companies profit off immigrants.  Some immigrants will continue to speak with a thick accent no matter how much they try anyway.  And even if they did speak perfect English, they wouldn't escape discrimination anyway.  Notice the vicious cycle.

Turn that damned beast around.

Start interpreter companies.  Let's get some foreign-owned businesses in here.  Have them set the bilingual children of immigrants up with unilingual recent immigrant families.  Keep the languages of your cultures alive.  In return, some immigrant families will be highly appreciative with what the youth are doing.  They're more than willing to lower rents for you if you choose to move away from your own family.  Since I'm hopping cities, I have to.  I'm sure there are others in my situation.  Why hand your cash over to just any landlord and slave away at some minimum wage job?

Do you have links to people in your ancestral nation?  Pitch the idea to businessmen the next time you're over there.

If you start today, you will have some headlines to laugh at in a few years' time.
Tiffany L. Toronto.


October 26- 2007

I'm a German skilled worker and I came five month ago.
My family (wife and two sons 17+18) are here since two month. My boys have ONLY a study permit and they can't work for one hour. Everybody needs stuff and my boys are not allowed to work for a little bit pocket money??!! Why?! They want to invite her girlfriends and other things like that and we have to pay for all ?! That couldn't be right?!
Andy. Coldstream, British Columbia.


October 27- 2007

To our readers:
Immigrants demand their money back -Even 'poster boy' for nominee program calls it a waste of money http://www.hfxnews.ca/index.cfm?sid=73975&sc=89
Brokers pressured immigrants into mentorships: Lawyer
http://www.novascotiabusinessjournal.com/index.cfm?sid=73510&sc=107
Have a great weekend!
Canadaimmigrants Team


October 28- 2007

Furthermore,

Do you notice how every so often, some corporation encounters a public relations nightmare for something like a racial stereotype in an ad or product, and there's an organized backlash?

It would be a mistake to limit ourselves to just instances like that.  Remember, the most damage is done by silent discrimination and the denial of racism, not the odd slip that happens because someone notices.  Steady pressure is effective not "protest cycles."

In identifying companies to boycott, study not just their ads but their names of the employees working there in prominent places.  Does their website feature an all-white cast with perhaps a token minority in a stereotypical role to "prove" biological determinism? 

Study the big picture.  Research who their clients are.  Look up the clients' websites.  Boycott them all.  Throw your purchasing power at companies that embrace diversity in meaningful ways when you're actually going to buy something.  And by embracing diversity, I mean putting people in non-stereotypical roles.  I'm suspicious of companies using only women in secretarial roles, Asian programmers, black rap artists... while it's great they're being employed at all, the company may be pigeonholing people and curtailing careers.  Scrutinize the companies the way they scrutinize us.  If you have even a shred of an ability to save and keep a penny in your bank account, do it.
Tiffany L. Toronto.


October 30- 2007

October 26- 2007, regarding the ESL big scam going on: You touched the right nerve with this topic brother/sister.
 
I need to warn all the people who are thinking about improving their education.
 
Back in Ottawa, Ontario, in 1997, as soon as I finished my high school studies, I went to the so infamous and I say infamous because it is a big scam collage which is ALGONQUIN COLLEGE.  I wanted to get in a technology program. By purpose, I did not mention to the scams person of the registration programs, (which are called the admissions co-coordinators) that I did have a fresh new Ontario's High school Diploma.
 
So, just because I had an accent, and did not have university transcripts, they came back a few minutes after the cheap testing that they run in order for you to be admitted in the program, and told me that I had to study some High School courses which would take a few years to complete.
 
I asked them like how long approximately, and they told me that I had to take a least two more years of English and a few more programs in order for me to get in the program that I wanted to study which I already had taken them in High School.   Oh yeah, but that I did not have to worry about expenses because it was free since they have an agreement with the Government and recognized by the Government as an education institution providers.
 
At that moment, I think boiling acid was running through my body instead of blood. I took out of my back pack my High School Diploma, and my close to hundreds test results.
 
Then, I show them on their face and asked them, are you telling me that those results from a well known government institution are not good for your college??
 
She was all embarrassed that I had got her trying to commit to what I would call fraud to the government and fraud to me as well.
 
She then called her supervisor, and they all pretended that it was a system mistake, and told me that I was admitted for my technology program, which I rejected and told them that I could not provide business to such a racist and corrupted institution.
 
So, my point here is that you must watch it and don't let those hungry sharks take advantage of you and your time.  Even worse, waste your time and money in them.
 
They do as they please with their admission rules because they are in the position to make lots of money from us because of the fact that they have been approved as ESL providers by the Government and since basic education should be free in Ontario, the Government will pay them whatever they want to charge the Government in our behalf as far as it is ESL or some other High School programs.

The bottom line here is that when you end up spending a few years in any of those colleges, you still come out of it with a big debt, a few lees years of your time, and no employment. The false promises that they promised you about finding you employment and the employment placement program are nil. So, all you have to do is kiss your time and money and good bye. Of course, it is just because of the fact that no amount of education will ever erase your mother tongue accent, and no amount of education is going to change your looks either. As far as you don't look blondish and white, chances are that doors will continue to shut on your face when it comes to better employment opportunities.

So, don't fool your self with all those false promises of the so prosperous opportunities that those institutions promise you when they want to grab your money, and your time.
Have great day all.
Cristina O. Edmonton, Alberta.

 

 

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September 1- 2007

Thank God for this site!

My husband and I have been seriously considering moving to Canada since early this year. Since then, we have scoured every jobs website first, to get a survey of the available jobs based on our qualifications and second, in the hope of getting a sponsoring employer for the PNP program.

We both have double degrees from reputable universities in the Philippines. I graduated cum laude from the University of the Philippines. I've lost count as to how many resumes we have submitted and so far, all we got are auto-reply!

I have friends working as caregivers and they have only praises for Canada. Now I realize that everything could be just bluff. Or, it could also be that they don't have disappointments and frustrations because they have already set their mind to it in the first place, i.e., that they are caregivers. I think, most of the frustrations come from high expectations of those who went to Canada in the Hope of bringing along their expertise and practicing it in grander manner.

Reading all the angst in this forum, I have come up with this very distressing conclusion: Indeed, Canada is not for professionals wanting to work as professionals in their respective fields. What Canada needs are labors and wage-earners who are willing to take on the jobs that Canadians does not want, like taking care of their old folks for example!

Thank you for this forum. We might reconsider our options.
Ana Fe. Cebu, Philippines.


September 3- 2007

Her Story, She is Mother, a Sister, your neighbour.......... an immigrant. Upon leaving her native country in Central America, spending her years fighting for justice, struggling against injustice and corruption. Running for her life, for days on end sleeping in the jungles, watching family and friends being slaughtered like animals..... Seen as a terrorist by the American and Canadian media, her comrades called each of them "bother and sister" instead .Wondering what her future and the future of her children would hold, she came to Canada. Did she believe the pretty picture that the officials painted, probably not ..........but she wanted to believe in something better, something better than the sound of US helicopter gunships in the night, than the sound of you holding your children still under the bed..........knowing that sound of an automatic rifle being held by the "Black Squads" just outside your kitchen door.

Sound familiar? If you grew up in our sheltered country of Canada.......probably not. If you grew up in any one of a number of Central /South American countries maybe ? You see, Her story is long filled with tears, anger, regret, sorrow and yes finally hope for a better life here in Canada. She is qualified for the job, her English is fine, she is intelligent and educated, pays her taxes.........so why is she being discriminated against?  Is it because she chooses to be respected and not show off her body in an unprofessional way ?  Is it because she does not have blue eyes and blonde hair ? She is considered a Hero in her southern country, why is she being treated like this here? She is a Mother, she is your Sister.........she is an immigrant.
Paul. Edmonton, Alberta.


September 5- 2007
Tell me what can you do when an immigrant fraudulently marries a Canadian women who supported not only him but his family for one and a half years. Made several trips to the country on the request of her husband and also worked several jobs to do this. What can you do when this man finally gets to Canada then his behaviour changes radically and attempts to take her life.

The people in Canada work very hard……………some of us work two or three jobs to make sure that our families are taken care of because we may be a single income family or whatever the reason. Why do you as immigrants believe that you should come and be able to just whatever it is that you want and to bring cultures with you that damage what we believe in what we find acceptable. You cant have it all. You want Canadian freedom with your spin on acceptable behaviour. I probably was the biggest advocate on immigration until I was bitten by the deceitful Dominican (which by the way I believe is one of the more problematic locations for deceit and what I call immigration fraud).
Denise M.


September 6- 2007

Provincial elections is just around the corner and I haven't heard of any program that would address the plight of hundreds of thousands of deskilled unhappily employed immigrants in Ontario.  So far, what the Liberals have said is that they will add another statutory holiday in February - what an embarrassment! Even the NDP do not even have a clear cut plan about this.  The federal government is just the same.  Setting up a very expensive credential referral office that do not serve its purpose. 

Just last week I've heard that one big factory in Brampton, Ontario has closed down displacing many workers in the process.  People being treated like commodities - if they don't need them Companies just 'throw' people away. 

Politicians in Canada just do not care about us - the immigrants that has become the workhorse of this beautiful nation (I must admit that this country is naturally beautiful).  I tell you in less than 20 years, if population projection methodologies are correct, we could surpass the population growth among 'born' canadians.  It's not that were taking over this country by that time, but what I'm saying is that the group could be highly influential in the decades to come.

Canada has a lot to learn from the United States in terms of how they deal with immigrants.  I've heard a lot of good stories from my countrymen who went to the U.S. to work (making Canada as a stepping stone).
Michael B. Toronto.


September 7- 2007

I am also a victim of fraudulent activity conducted by the Toronto Maid Service at 16 Yonge Street Suite 3212 (www.toronto maids.ca).

As an employee there from July 1st 2007 to July 12th 2007 I witnessed many illegal immigrants being hired, (mostly Mexican students) paid under the table, subjected to harsh verbal abuse, and working several more hours than what they were paid for. Although we worked with strong, corrosive chemicals on a daily basis we never received any formal training according to WHMIS standards (despite several of the employees having only a minimal grasp on the English language) and many of us sustained minor dermal burns. He treats both staff and clients very dishonestly.

Several weeks ago I filed a complaint against the Toronto Maid Service with the Ontario Ministry of Labour for putting a stop payment on my final cheque worth 2 weeks of labour, which was issued on July 26, 2007. The stop was placed on August 3rd, 2007 and to this day I have yet to receive a replacement cheque or any confirmation of legal action being taken. Please investigate this company further. The manager's name is Prakash Chand, he operates another maid service under the name "A1" as well as a website www.askthe doctor.ca. The company owner is a man named Jeremy who (from what I've been informed) also has a cleaning company in Winnipeg, BC, and a Winnipeg-based nightclub "Empire Cabaret".

Thank you,
Patricia. Toronto, Ontario.


September 11- 2007

Hello, I would like to add to the previous post that it can be worse. Not only they may not pay for your work, but they hire you having in mind just to take your SIN number and then they send you away mostly without plausible explanations. What do they do with the SIN number I have no idea, but my guesses are two: one, they may somehow "sell" this number to people coming to Canada. Second, they use it to write as though they paid you a salary for a period longer than your actual employment, thus hiding funds from the taxation authorities. Examples - look at the Pioneer Dry Cleaners in Ancaster and Burlington, this fraud is their usual practice.
Carmen. Hamilton, Ontario.


September 18- 2007

I just noticed the Discrimination Report Card option that is in the site, and I have felt compelled to let you know of the companies that have proven that they are practicing this kind of discriminatory behaviors.

I feel that it is my duty to inform you of their malpractices in the way they operate, so that other immigrants won't fell into their disdainful discriminatory ways.

I'll name one by one of them:

Kinnikinnick Foods (specialty foods), Edmonton, AB ------Unfair and discriminatory work practices

Dell Canada, Edmonton, AB---------Biased Hiring Practices

STANTEC,  Edmonton, AB, Canada------Biased Hiring Practices

Shaw Cable, Edmonton, AB----Biased Hiring Practices

Bunzl Canada Inc, Edmonton, AB-----Biased Hiring Practices

AMA(Alberta Motor Association), Edmonton, AB---Never responded to your job application and their job opportunity was still advertised

Enbridge Pipelines Inc, Edmonton, AB-------Never responded to your job application and their job opportunity was still advertised

Cristina. Edmonton, Alberta.


September 19- 2007

IF SOMEONE HAS ANY DOUBT ABOUT DISCRIMINATION TAKING PLACE IN CANADA I AM PREPARED TO PROVIDE PROOF THAT COULD ONLY BE DIGESTED BY SENSIBLE PEOPLE OF ANY NATIONALITY.

For the last seven years I have been trying to get into a decent job after arriving in Canada as a landed immigrant with highest number points and 15 years of experience in international trade. I did not earn anything above $12 per hour except for the government agency that offered $18 per hour on a contract that helped the management to palm off a physically demanding job while satisfying the diversity ratio requirements in the cadre.

No amount of foreign aid to developing countries will set off the crime committed by Canada against humanity by converting valuable human resources from those countries Into slave labour.

The authorities responsible for human rights, minority rights. equality and diversity in Canada should be proactively take steps to change this situation rather than surviving on it and its consequences in order to prove their genuineness.
Harsha. Scarborough, Ontario.


September 20- 2007

I can tell you all right now that even second- and third-generation offspring of immigrants can experience glass ceilings and barriers of entry into industry after postsecondary graduation.  You'd assume that because they grew up within Canadian culture, the difference is only skin deep and that racism wouldn't affect them.  Not true.  One only needs to navigate the blogosphere to read up on the experiences of students and twenty-somethings in this demographic.

Citing from my own network, I can see that many Canadian-born friends of immigrant backgrounds have been struggling to tap into the 'hidden job market.'  Meanwhile I've kept in touch with many white Canadian friends from high school.  Some had dropped out of university.  Through connections, they've landed jobs with just a Grade 12 or OAC education and are well positioned for future promotions once the baby boomers retire.

You see, even with connections and cultural savvy, second-generation graduates nevertheless lack the unearned advantages of their white friends.  These advantages gained from early entry are locked in when they collect years of experience on their resumes, making them seem more competent.  Remember, it is up to the employer to decide which is more important: education or work experience.  Lately there has been a greater emphasis on experience, leading one to wonder which came first, the chicken or the egg.

It is also entirely possible for a well-connected white Canadian friend to refer a second-generation Canadian friend to the HR department of the company... only to have that benefit canceled out once it hits the person in charge of the actual hiring decisions.  The person of authority could be anyone, not a friend of the applicant and possibly not even an advocate of equal opportunity.  Connections will only go so far.  You need the whole chain working for you in order to get a foot in the door, not just one link.

As a member of a demographic stereotyped to possess certain skills and certain deficiencies, I've had a hard time breaking into a non-stereotypical field for my race and gender despite making use of many contacts.  I have great communication skills and absolutely no problem making new friends.  Yet time and time again, I've met barriers of entry breaking into male-dominated and overly white-represented fields. 

Back in school, I was also regarded as the creative and intelligent one to whom people would go with their questions, which is also how I've managed to find so many people trying to help me out.  I'm like a walking experiment for workplace discrimination.  I would regularly meet all the requirements in job postings and people would end up baffled why my application never got anywhere.

I've managed to pay off my student loans teaching abroad, though, and I make sure that young people in other countries are given the real story on what happens in Canada.  Myth-breaking has become my hobby.

Thanks for this wonderful site.  Half the battle is knowing.
Jennifer L. Toronto, Canada.


September 20- 2007

I saw Cristina's posting regarding the discrimination report card.  I have also my own experiences that can add to the said report card:

Decima Research (Ottawa)----Biased hiring practices
Charlton Research----Biased hiring practices
Ipsos-Reid----Biased hiring practices
Ontario Ministry of Environment----Never responded to your job application and their job opportunity was still advertised
Ontario Ministry of Finance----Never responded to your job application and their job opportunity was still advertised
City of Toronto----Never responded to your job application and their job opportunity was still advertised
City of Mississauga----Never responded to your job application and their job opportunity was still advertised
JD Powers and Associates----Never responded to your job application and their job opportunity was still advertised
Jones Lang La Salle---Biased hiring practices
Officeteam. ca----Biased hiring practices
Robert Half Finance and Accounting----Biased hiring practices

Shame on these companies and government ministries! Shame on the so-called Human Resource Professionals who score the shots in these God forsaken companies. Should there be a court case, I am more than willing to present evidence of discrimination and unfair hiring practices against these companies (I am the living evidence of this).
Michael B. Toronto.


September 21- 2007

Hi Everybody,
This is indeed a fantastic site that vast majority of Immigrants have been waiting for decades. Finally someone took the lead to be vocal on the subject. Statistics Canada has just released its latest statistics, the unemployment in Canada is at 4%, however, Immigrants's unemployment rate is over 12%, 3 times of the Country's. Findings also disclose that for those Immigrants that are at work, they are mainly in retail sales, factories or other labourers' jobs. Interesting? Not quite because this phenomenon has been ongoing for decades. It's just that in the past history, "visible" Immigrants are overly "obedient", therefore everybody simply plays a blind eye.

Last week I went groceries shopping at Midtown Coop. I was 2nd person waiting to be served. Then a guy (caucasian) came along, standing very close to me, and then another caucasian woman joined the queue. When it's my turn, the server looked at me and asked me what I want. Without the chance to open my mouth, the guy quickly jumped in. The story didnt stop here. After he finished, he told the server that the caucasian woman was the next to be served. What a funny scenario. Well, since I'm in no rush in getting to heaven or hell, (coupled with being trained to be always courteous and good manner in public), what the heck if 5 minutes delay.

I'm citing this story just to tell everyone that job priority and superiority as given to certain races of Canadians do not restrict to job situations alone. In all walks of daily livelihood, it's not difficult to see some people playing superiority over others. What does it tell us? Are we all paying the