Julio 1- 2008
Quisiera saber las referencias de una empresa que se llama CIIB Canadá en Colombia. Pues he observado que la mayoría de las cosas que le prometen o le dicen sobre Canadá son falacias. Cuanto es el tiempo promedio para poder aplicar y obtener la visa de residente permanente y ustedes que me recomiendan pues con todas estas opiniones uno no saber que hacer.

Juan Pablo. Colombia


Julio 2- 2008
He leído todos sus comentarios y la verdad que me han sorprendido mucho. Mi familia y yo teníamos en mente iniciar el proceso de inmigración en busca de un lugar más tranquilo para nuestros hijos, yo estudié unos 6 meses en Halifax, NS y tengo un recuerdo excelente de ese lugar. Claro, no es lo mismo ser estudiante que inmigrante permanente. Seguiremos pensando...

Un saludo a todos y suerte en sus búsquedas.
Nora. Madrid, España.


Julio 3- 2008
I believe this is a great page that can alert people of the true that Immigrants are living in Canada; I’m changing my mind of moving to Canada, I’m Thinking to move to Australia instead of Canada. Do you know of a similar web page about Australia? Something that opens my eyes like this page did?

Pablo. Monterrey, Mexico.


Julio 4- 2008
To Pablo. Monterrey, Mexico,

I think you made a well decision by selecting Australia instead of Canada.

Australia doesn't bang their own drums like Canada but immigrants are doing far better there by the index of unemployment and poverty.  Immigrant's unemployment & poverty rate there are almost par with the national average.  Whereas in Canada these numbers are many times higher.  Australians aren't that sick of "Australian experience".

I hope this article may give you moral boosting.
http://www.thestar.com/article/424416.

Good Luck.
Sha. Florida, USA.


Julio 5- 2008
I happened to be browsing the website looking for information that might help my cousin who is also looking for a job in Canada and having read the last couple on months of the forum I think I might be able to add some clarification.  Many people are obviously frustrated about not getting jobs they are more than qualified for, a long waits for health care, difficulty starting a business. 

Here's the reality - the Canadian job market has been very strong for the last 10-15 years but the economy is tied closely with the American economy and there is a lot of economic uncertainly right now.  The job market is getting a lot more competitive than it has been in the past.  I was born and raised here and have 2 degrees and was actively looking for other jobs for 2 years -I placed "second" in at least ten competitions before getting the job I have now.   

The health care system is over stretched for everyone and we all know it- a co-worker of mine spent 8 hours last weekend waiting to get x-rays on a broken hand.  Its nothing personal try not to let it be. 

If your in Quebec be prepared to speak French - they aren’t being mean - they are allowed by law to conduct their business in French only meaning they won't serve me or anyone else in English.

Obviously there are jackasses and discriminatory bigots here it would be foolish to assume there isn't but again the reality is that especially in the job market a company will always do what has the biggest upside with the least cost

Ryan. Calgary, Canadá.


Julio 5- 2008
I happened to be browsing the website looking for information that might help my cousin who is also looking for a job in Canada and having read the last couple on months of the forum I think I might be able to add some clarification.  Many people are obviously frustrated about not getting jobs they are more than qualified for, a long waits for health care, difficulty starting a business. 

Here's the reality - the Canadian job market has been very strong for the last 10-15 years but the economy is tied closely with the American economy and there is a lot of economic uncertainly right now.  The job market is getting a lot more competitive than it has been in the past.  I was born and raised here and have 2 degrees and was actively looking for other jobs for 2 years -I placed "second" in at least ten competitions before getting the job I have now.   

The health care system is over stretched for everyone and we all know it- a co-worker of mine spent 8 hours last weekend waiting to get x-rays on a broken hand.  Its nothing personal try not to let it be. 

If your in Quebec be prepared to speak French - they aren’t being mean - they are allowed by law to conduct their business in French only meaning they won't serve me or anyone else in English.

Obviously there are jackasses and discriminatory bigots here it would be foolish to assume there isn't but again the reality is that especially in the job market a company will always do what has the biggest upside with the least cost

Ryan. Calgary, Canadá.

July 8- 2008
I am an immigrant to Canada from the UK. I arrived here ten years ago and I am already a millionaire twice over. I think if people don't like it in Canada I suggest you take advantage of one of our great freedoms here, the freedom to go back to where you come from. We don't need the country to be swamped by whining losers.

Worst of all we don't need scamming African taxi drivers who get refugee allowances and drive a taxi for cash. I would be interested to see the mandate from our Government to let useless refugees into this country because the truth of the matter is they have none.

Andrew. Alberta, Canadá.

Julio 9- 2008
To Andrew from Alberta, Canada.

The problem is that you guys never want to realize the problem at all.  In your eyes all immigrants in Canada are charity cases or political asylum seekers.

Please open your eyes before commenting.  Most of the reporters here are professional immigrants; they were invited and selected by their skills, they didn't have to beg like your African taxi driver.  Your beloved Canada instructs its embassies overseas to publicly advertise for immigrants due to a "shortage: even send their ministers to lure them. So, don't treat everybody as your charity seekers.

Once the professionals land in Canada they find a total different picture, that so called shortage never exists.  Professional job market in Canada is always super saturated.  Read something Ryan said, he is also from Alberta, supposedly the hot spot in entire Canadian history.  He didn't tell any fairy tale.  What he told is closed to the reality.  Job market is too competitive, so called poor degrees, hard worker like excuses are all lame.

You may became a millionaire, very good.  That doesn't mean that all others are dumb.  Millionaires are not only in Canada, even in all 3rd world countries there are many millionaires.  I can buy a lotto ticket and win million dollars, though can't suggest the poor to play the lotto.

Sha. Florida, USA.

Julio 10- 2008
Hello:

This is a little reminder to all the immigrants in this country, and this is coming from an immigrant as well.

I happen to work on the front line of my work place, and I happen to deal with a lot of immigrants in the regular basis.

I just like to remind you all that either you were a king, queen, millionaire, or a beggar back home, your attitude should adjust to where you are at the moment and for sure you are in Canada not back home.

So, don't ruin the rest of the good immigrant's image with your arrogant, demanding, and abusive attitudes.  I am an immigrant, have a lot of compassion for others, I'm willing to help out to the best of my knowledge, but when I have to deal with one of those characters, I feel like telling them to go back home and keep abusing their servants back there because that's were they belong. Canada certainly is the wrong place for them.

So keep in mind, for the Canadian born people, as far as we have an accent, we all belong to the same group, and that group comes down to one thing (IMMIGRANTS)

So, if they run into the arrogant, demanding, abusive ones, for the most part, they will have the dislikes for most of immigrants.

So, do the rest of the good immigrants a favor, treat every one with dignity and respect if you really want to fit in this society.

And as for you Andrew, you must been born with the biggest blessings and largest brains in order to able to be a millionaire twice in Canada because not even the average Canadian born citizen can save not even a couple of hundred thousand dollars in their lifetime leave along being a millionaire. Wow! tell me what you ate when you were little I am dying to know the secret.

My best regards to all, and good luck to the ones who are searching for employment.
Cristina. Alberta, Canadá.


Julio 11- 2008
Hi, my name is Parla. I moved to Canada fifteen years ago, I love Canada and always want to contribute back to this beautiful country, by helping others and work with immigration Canada.

I would be more than happy to help out in a local office in or around my area.

Thank you
Parla. Ontario, Canadá.


Julio 11- 2008
I did my undergraduate degree from Carleton and just finished my MBA in Finance from the University of Liverpool. I was accepted for further intensive specialization in Scotland for a MSc program in International Banking. Impressive? Get this everyone, I have been working as a pathetic teller in a bank with people who have either college diplomas or high school diplomas. I cannot break into higher management. They keep saying we have more qualified candidates. I cannot understand how many people there can be who have MBAs. I went for an interview in May for an entry level position and they told out of the 85 applicants for the position I was the only one with a graduate degree. But they told me you are overqualified and we feel you will be bored in this job.

I am seriously thinking of going back to my native Pakistan. I sent out my resume to some banks and I got instant response and invitations for interviews. Back home I can much more quickly than I can here. Here higher education is looked down upon especially if it is not Canadian.

S. Awan. Ottawa, Canadá.

Julio 11- 2008
To Andrew from Alberta, Canada.

Your fate in Canada highlights the reality of which immigrants are being discriminated. British Immigrants, as well as immigrants from north Western Europe, have very different immigrant experiences than those from other parts of the world, regardless of their education and experience. They do not face obstacles at every turn like other immigrants do. In fact, White Canadians generally want them to succeed. You are very fortunate that you do not have to deal with the obstacles many of the people here deal with on a daily basis. Instead of insulting them, you should just be thankful you are not in their position right now.

I am non-white Immigrant Canadian, and I know that it is possible for anyone to succeed in Canada, but it will be far slower for non-white immigrants, as they will be robbed of their money at every turn. It truly takes "Canadian Experience" for non-white immigrants to succeed. You have to know Canada very well. You have to know who your friends are, and who you enemies are. And you have to know how to engage each of them from a position where you are safe and in control. Otherwise they'll eat you alive. It is a very expensive process, and most non-white immigrants would be better off in a country other than Canada. As for being a "millionaire twice over", with the inflation of the last 20 years, that is not enough money to brag about to anyone but to the most unfortunate.

Have some class Andrew.
Oscar. Seattle, USA.


Julio 15- 2008
Yo labore para la empresa cárnica Maple Leaf, Brandon, Manitoba, tuve problemas personales con la encargada de renovar la visa temporal de trabajo y me detuvo mi proceso, diciendo que había mentido en mi estado marital que tenia una hija, por tal motivo no podía salirme mi permiso laboral, me entregaron el boleto de regreso hacia mi país y me prometieron que dentro de 3 meses me volvía a contratar pero me mintieron, eso fue hace 4 años ahora me encuentro en un país donde la oportunidad para el trabajo es escasa y necesito una oportunidad para poder regresar. en la empresa deje un expediente limpio, no tuve problemas con nadie excepto con la encargada de los transmites para renovar las visas, espero que alguna buena persona se ponga en contacto conmigo y me brinde la mano para poder regresar de nuevo, muchas gracias de antemano , Que Dios les brinde muchas bendiciones.

Atentamente
Herbert. San Miguel, El Salvador.


Julio 16- 2008
To  S. Awan.

I also have an MBA and I can hear your problems. In my case, I had to leave out my MBA when applying for entry level positions. You have to understand that nobody wants to hire an immigrant with too much education; you become dangerous so you will be blocked. My advice is to leave out your master’s degrees and apply for a typical customer service or tech support position at a large corporation of the scale of bell Canada or any other large corporation. Once you are in the company, you can apply to internal postings and include your MBA. If possible, try to get an unionized position since this way they will have no choice but to give you a job at your level since the union will protect you. The job market is a jungle and you have to understand that educated immigrants are a threat to local people with less qualifications so you will be blocked, nobody wants to hire an immigrant that eventually will take the job of the one that is hiring.

I have been in hiring committees and believe me when people are scared of highly educated immigrants, the reality is that if you are not blocked you can easily take over their jobs so local people are scared of us. It is also common that once an immigrant is in a hiring position, the immigrant will bring more immigrants so eventually you will erase local candidates for any available position. The reality is that we immigrants work harder since we have no choice but for the same reason local people will fear you. Don't get discouraged and just try to understand the system and try to play with it.

Local people are just protecting their jobs and it is not a matter of discrimination but survival. I have seen few times how once immigrants get to a high level in a corporation, they will hire only immigrants since we know that we work harder and for less.

The problem is Canada is not really a discrimination problem but an immigration policy problem, the government is making too much money with immigration and they don't care about their own citizens, they are destroying the local job market by bringing hundreds of thousands of qualified individuals and by putting too much stress in the job market so local individuals have to work harder to compete with us foreigners. In my opinion, massive immigration is only good for the government pockets since they get taxes from us immigrants when they know that they did not pay for our education. Immigration is still important to Canada, but a middle point would be one third of the immigrants that Canada brings so they could easily be absorbed by the market and feared less by local citizens.

Luck!
Raúl. Montreal, Canadá.


Julio 17- 2008
To Raul in Montreal,

My friend you have taken the words out of mouth. You know the weird thing is that I am already in the practice of omitting my MBA from my degree. I do not mention at all that I have a graduate degree. However, it is very sad and disgusting. I do not believe there is anything such as being overeducated. One would assume that with this kind of an education you would be welcome, or you would be given preference or that employers should be happy to get you on board.

They fact that you have to dumb down yourself speaks volume about the hiring practices here. It has been a horribly frustrating experience but I can tell you that I am not going to waste my time here. If having an MBA is a liability in this country than I will take it to some place where it is considered an asset.  

May God help us.
S. Awan. Ottawa, Canadá.


Julio 17- 2008
Raul from Montreal says: "The problem is Canada is not really a discrimination problem"

You are completely wrong. It is exactly a discrimination problem. You assertion that they want to keep jobs for themselves (as in jobs for White Canadians only) on its own shows it is a discrimination problem. The fact that a non-White immigrant with an advanced degree have to apply for an entry level position, also shows that this is a discrimination problem.

A British or Australian immigrant with an advanced degree will be hired without a second thought, and White Canadians will not be afraid of that. A non-white immigrant with a degree from the same universities, and similar experience, will be denied employment at the level of what her White peers get. That is not to say there are no ways around this. In places where "networking" and connections are very important, a non-White immigrant that has build relations with peers, managers and customers would be put ahead of White people who have not done so. Of course, it is hard to build some of those relations when you are seen as a natural resource, not as a human being. The original obstacles faced by non-white immigrants are based on racial discrimination first and foremost.

Don't try to be vanilla about this, Raul. Get real.
Oscar. Seattle, USA.


Julio 18- 2008
I always think about migrate to Canada because I have friends there and family, who keep pushing, but always remember this forum and after reading it I think, no way I am doing that dumb movement.

Recently I talked to one of my friends in Montreal. He was able to get an office job doing almost the same as he used to do in Mexico. He was fed up that all the whites were jumping over him to a higher position. He has never gotten the opportunity to be promoted and he has been there for almost 8 years. He recently tried to search for another job and yesterday he emailed me saying that he was thinking to move to another career to get extra money since he has sent many resumes and he is tired to get phone calls or interviews where they has told him that they require people speaking French Canadian and he speaks French from France!!!. That's a big joke or what?

That's how Canada is totally not an option for immigrants. And how the system is totally feed up.

Can you imagine studying masters, English and having relatives and friends in Canada and adding more than those points they require in their immigration application and you pay that much money to land and process your residence and suddenly a so-called refugee gets the same status as you?

This is what happened. I guy living in Georgia, USA as an illegal alien had to leave USA because they have started to have local laws where the illegal are not welcome at all. He moved to Canada, Montreal to be precise. He applied as a refugee claiming his life was threatened by the Mexican politicians (he has not returned to Mexico in 20 years). The Canadian government gave him asylum, without too many questions in less than 6 months. He of course is cleaning toilettes in some restaurant or sweeping streets as he used to do in Georgia.  And you, Canadians want me to apply and put money in your system?

I just talked also to another friend, who lives in Wisconsin, recently his girlfriend from Mexico could not enter to the USA and she went to Toronto, she is just... as we say in Mexico, totally illiterate. She said she liked Toronto and she is going to stay and apply as a refugee. Cool do not you think? so why are you worry about masters or high skills  when you can just use your knowledge and fix a very good plan to apply as a refugee like all these illiterates.

That is the Canadian system 101 for you my friends. Why would you follow the rules of paying $ 1000 landing fee and put $ 20,000 in a bank account in Canada when you can just pay $ 500 to $ 1000 to a good lawyer to fill some forms and wait in your well paid-apartment-by-the-government-while-process-get-through in Canada?

Sebastien. Mexico.


Julio 18- 2008
Oscar,

I feel very much similar thoughts like Raul. After my horrifying experience in Canada I wouldn’t suggest anyone with University degree to try his luck in Canada, especially the ones from the non-native English speaking countries, more precisely the South Asians, Latinos... Africans.

Looking at Canadian job market anyone can see a clear racial profiling.  So, it is easy to draw a conclusion that Canadians are racist and hence don’t want to hire the colored ones.  It is true in the result, but not fully true in the reasoning. They have to act racial due to their very poor professional job market. They even have very hard time to accommodate their own graduates.  I know many Canadians and Govt. officials would vehemently deny this and start talking about how fast the economy is running… loonier hike... Alberta gold rush like theoretical cr@*$. However, the reality tells a complete different story.

One example, about 70% of the professional immigrants that Canada brings every year are engineers. Let’s see a little local market survey.   Ontario Professional Board of Engineers reports that only 58% Canadian Engineering graduates can secure a full time job in Canada.  http://www.ospe.on.ca/pdf/CCE_OctNovSpeakingOut.pdf. The rest remain either unemployed, under employed or if lucky then move out their country. That’s why even the local ones need personal contacts to secure a good job. You are adding then (60-70) % of 60,000-70,000 foreign trained engineers competing with them.  Should we feel surprised then to see a clear profiling then? I can’t blame the employers to hire his own relatives/friends before me. Common sense. So, the result becomes a clear racial profiling, but the cause is different.

Surprisingly I rarely see this topic is discussed in this issue. About the job problem, there are 2 popular theories. One from the locals justifying immigrant hardship due to their poor quality degree... below standard experience… poor English. From the immigrant side, just one word, racism. Unfortunately no one want to assess the reality. If an employers get 100 resumes for a position where 10 are Canadians and 90 are foreigners then what would he do? I’m not supporting him, but he to select someone from the Canadian groups, even there is competition, so what would he do? Hire someone who was referred by someone that he knows.  All parties involves here childishly try to avoid this harsh reality.  All parties agree that networking is the key to success in Canada.  Why don’t they explain why it is so important? I even heard such words from the official voices, like in a job searching workshop by HRDC employees addressing the EI seekers. He clearly told that 80% jobs are hidden in Canada.

Except this job issue, Canada is one of the safest places in the world for any color, religion or believers living peacefully.  This fact can’t be denied. Of course for the immigrants, Canadian employers are biased for the British, I have a feeling that it is easier for a British to settle in Canada than even an American. I’m not saying that Canadian employers don’t have pure racial profiling at all, yes they have.

The problem is their Govt. for some unknown or evil reasons totally messed their immigration policy and made it as a total joke. It doesn’t reflect at all the reality of the country at all and lure the immigrants with a false hope.

I feel more frustrated about Canada not for poor job market or discriminatory behavior, but when I see the attitudes of the locals to lynch all immigrants having poor/fake degrees, poor English like cr@% to justify their hardship. Whereas in reality, more than 90% of this guys are never given any chance to prove themselves. Rarely do they show any sympathy to the immigrants who are just poor victims of their own Govt. 

Sha. Florida, USA.


Julio 19- 2008
To Sha,

About professional engineers in Canada, when I came to Canada in 1993 the PEO had a lot of pressure from the federal government to make it easier for a foreign degreed engineer to get a professional license. In the past, PEO made it difficult for foreign professional to get licensed by applying exams and asking Canadian experience. Nowadays, many engineers with degrees from foreign schools have Engineering licenses since now PEO recognizes certain foreign schools without further examinations.

In the past engineer immigrants just to blame PEO of their misery since they were not able to obtain engineering licenses. Now, PEO gives easy access to licenses, but foreign engineers still have no jobs. What is the point to have a license if there are no engineering jobs? The reality is that only a small percentage of the engineering jobs require a license and employers don’t care much about this qualification.

The question is, why the federal government brings so many engineers to make the situation even more miserable to local graduates and existing licensed engineers? The result is basically an oversaturation of the profession and more than one engineer has decided to go into more protected professions such as accounting, real estate, financial consulting just to mention a few.

The bottom line is that the federal government has found a gold mine with immigration but don’t really care about their own citizens. They pay themselves by all the money that this industry generates but they can care less about the problems they generate with this. Engineers are a good business to them since they have the economic resources to bring to Canada but the government can care less that only 55% of the existing engineers can find work in engineering and yet they bring even more.

It is sad, but it is all about money. I know that most of us immigrants feel that it is racism, discrimination, etc but the reality is that the Canadian economy is weak and runs based on bringing more people with the resources to demand more internal services. Canada cannot generate the gods to export them so it brings the customers instead so we can bring more resources to this country to keep the economy running. The Canadian economy would collapse without immigration, I can tell you this as an educator, 90 % of my students are recent immigrants that go back to school to get the training to enter the job market. What would happen without immigration? Universities and colleges would collapse without question, local individuals know that is not worth it to go to University and the whole education system would collapse.

Raúl. Montreal, Canadá.


Julio 19- 2008
Sha: The Problem with the Canadian Government and locals does not have any justification. The government is asking to have a particular level of English in order to migrate to Canada. They even ask you to take English tests to assets your level and give you points to migrate! The government asks you to validate your studies in your country and translate them in English to be reviewed - I think by them and nobody else.

So, if the locals claim lack of experience and poor English by the immigrants, so what the heck are the consulates doing when you apply for the residence?

Why are they allowing all these immigrants to move to Canada, when they know that they will have problems to find a job? The reason is that as a single family  with one kid you have to deposit at least $15,000 in a bank and pay almost other $2,000 for you landing fee and application then they do know that money will be well spend within their system. Now, how many immigrants do the government allow per year? 15,000?  30,000?, 50,000?. Let's say 20,000, 3 per family paying almost those 15,000 so the government is getting millions of dollars in the system from the immigrants. That is the reason and that's why they are campaigning in each country saying that Canada is the land of the opportunity. Nobody wants to live in that cold or in the north side of the country.

If they need taxi drivers, people to work in construction, cleaning toilettes or doing whatever the illegal immigrants do in the USA then they should be asking for that  kind of people and low their requirements and stop bothering professionals with all those stupid requirements that are totally useless when you get there.

I visited Montreal last year, I have been there in Canada several times, this time I had my eyes wide open. Ohh yeahh!! The mosaic of cultures as the government call itself the country. In one side all the immigrants the other side the whites. One side all the Arabians the other side all the Europeans. In a restaurant one side only whites waitresses other side of the kitchen all the immigrants cleaning and behind the walls -- they don't even want them visible. Went to Quebec City, can you imagine this tu#* in a restaurant? I asked him: do you speak English? He responded with his big head, no. I saw the menu, everything in English and a section in French!!. I called him back, how is this plate? I pointed to the menu in English. He responded me in his great Canadian French then I told him in English, please bring this to me. I got my ordered right, I got my drink right as I ordered in English. Took a look around the place, only whites I saw, then I finished and walked around the building and I saw 2 guys, no whites, talking and smoking, maybe taking a break then they kept sweeping the floor. I thought.... here they go, maybe two mathematicians waiting for a good job or at least in front of the counter and answering in English or French to any customer without hesitation, in the meantime this business has a tu#* that thinks if he speaks in English his French will disappear or maybe he won't feel as European as they grand parents were or maybe he will feel he is not anymore different than any other person who does not live in his white-French-Canadian neighborhood.

Sebastien. Mexico.


Julio 19- 2008
Hello to all the people on this forum:

Look, to all the unemployed fellows out there, you need to know one fact apart from the racial issue.

If not all, most of the private employers in Canada are playing a little trick on the immigrants and the Canadian Government as well.

You see a lot of employment openings all over, you go for an interview, you think you will get the job offer and bang, no even a courtesy call back from them even to tell you that you are not a convenience to them because they would have to pay you at least what is standard in Canada.

The worse part is that that phenomenon doesn't just happens within the good jobs, but even with the menial jobs too.

When I was unemployed, I applied for a position within the technical field because that is one of my fields.

Well, I had an interview which I know they just interviewed me out of curiosity.  You will not believe what came out of the General manager's mouth.

She told me that they usually hired their high tech people from over seas, and that they were paying them no even half of what a local engineer would charge them.   In a few words, what this people is doing is, they get connected with those employment agencies from overseas make a deal, they offer those well educated people a contract for a year, and they pay them something like $7.00 dollars an hour, plus, all this people of course are top of the line graduates in their own country.

Those dirty business people come and seek Government's help to subsidize those overseas employees and they tell the government that in order for them to have their business going, they have to hire employees from overseas because there is this horrible shortness of qualified employees in the country, and therefore, they have to seek employees overseas.

What they are not telling to our Government is the fact that there are many good candidates for the jobs and many resumes as well, but that they choose not to do what is fair.

And what is fair is, hire the local people first.

When I was unemployed, I was shocked to see well educated local Canadians who would have the interviews, and would not get the job at all.

For all the ones who live in Canada, just for the fun of it, go around to places like Tim Horton's, the Casinos, some big chain hotels, McDonald's, and all those big chain companies look around carefully and long, and tell me who their employees are.

What all those Greedy business owners are doing is depriving all the locals and immigrants with permanent residency here or Canadian citizenship and paying taxes as well from getting a job at all because they don't want to pay what is fair within our standards.

Instead, they go overseas to get very inexpensive labor and as a result, of course their quality service has gone down to the toilet too because what they have in their businesses are very unhappy employees because of the fact that they feel cheated and slaved as well. 

And the reason why, for one thing, they make sure to get the people from overseas no only with good education, but they should speak good English as well, and secondly, they feel trapped here too because of all the limitations that have been made clear to them.

But at the end, all those temporary employees will go back home with some tax free cash, and new ones will come, and we will still be paying for their salaries with our taxes.

They tell them false promises too, and as a result, you don't see a smile on those employee's faces at all because they feel cheated, and slaved away.

What we all should do is, make this clear to the government of what is going on, so that we don't end up paying our taxes for the business subsidize of those greedy companies owners because the help they are getting from the government has to be coming from somewhere, and guess where is that, the taxes we pay!!!!

This is in reference of Raul's comment. (I have seen few times how once immigrants get to a high level in a corporation, they will hire only immigrants since we know that we work harder and for less.)

You are right about the fact that once an immigrant is in the position to hire employees they will only hire immigrants.

Well, the problem is not that they hire immigrants because they work harder.  They hire their immigrant friends and relatives only and sometimes they are really useless for the job for real.  And I will hold back from saying which immigrants are doing that, but the fact of the matter is that they end up blocking anyone also that is not their race from getting in that company at all, and I have seen that happening in my own skin in Vancouver.

And that my friends, goes back to one thing, you call it corruption.
God bless you all and good luck.

Cristina. Edmonton, Canadá.


Julio 22- 2008
Hola

Soy de Guadalajara y acaba de nacer mi bebe en Toronto, Ontario. yo estoy como turista, quiero saber si el Gobierno otorga apoyo para bebes nacidos dentro del país y como obtenerlo, también, si alguien sabe el tiempo que se tarda en obtener el certificado de nacimiento y el pasaporte para volver a México.

Gracias
Yahiriama. Guadalajara, México.


Julio 22- 2008
Raul, Sebastian, & Cristina,

Nice to hear your feedback.  Looks like we all agree in some of the basics here.

Raul,

I don’t think that the immigrants are appearing as a threat to the locals; only 58% get jobs due to the poor job market. We all know how discriminatory the job market is towards the immigrants. Immigrants (of course some exceptions are there) are mostly automatically screened out even before getting any chance to prove themselves or interviewing. So, competition remains within the locals only. That’s why the professional associations and others aren’t vocal against it.

I agree 100% that the licensure issue for the engineers is total BS.  Just another lame excuse. Where there are not that many jobs then license or even local higher degrees can’t help anyway.

Why Canada needs immigrants? That would be now a million dollar questions. I did a little research on the major reasons told by the Govt. We all know the so called skill shortage fairy tales. Then another reason; low birth rate. Well, all industrialized countries have low birth rate. Although Canada has low birth rate it also has very low death rate giving it a very high growth rate. As a matter of fact among the western developed countries after USA and Australia Canada has the highest internal growth (without immigration). Why don’t other countries don’t cry out for low birth rate? Some Euro countries even have negative growth. These all factors forced me to believe the conspiracy about the immigration in Canada. You have to look first the beneficiaries to learn why immigration is so important in Canada.

In my understanding, immigration is mostly helping to give the employer class a Roman emperor. They are always in the upper hand and set any salary/benefits at their will. Don’t like it? Leave it, 100s are at my doors. This is not just from my loser voice. This is well documented by their own StatCanada. “Statistics Canada estimates that for every 10% increase in the population from immigration, wages in Canada are now reduced by 4% on average (with the greatest impact to more skilled workers, such as workers with post-graduate degrees whose wages are reduced by 7%)”. So, it is not just our wild imagination, immigration is needed to ensure a constant supply of cheap labor for the employers.  Canadians when cry out for high living cost or low salary should question their Govt.

What’s Canada’s gain? Like Sebastian said, a huge amount of foreign currency to refresh their sick economy. Some folks deny it by showing only 10,000$ per family is not that much. Though in reality almost all families bring their life long savings... selling their properties back home... some amount in 6 figures is very common. 

Sebastian, any person with minimum common sense would ask like you what’s the justification of playing with the lives of the immigrants. They all are evaluated based on their qualifications, paid by them. Then after coming based on the pretext of their same evaluation they are being rejected without even giving any chance. If their qualifications are so bad then why are they invited and given professional immigration based on the same bad qualifications? Does it make any sense? Sadly Canadians never want to go to the last part. I at least expect them to acknowledge the truth and speaking against their own double standard policy.

Some see this as a gap between the employers and the Government. I see this gap as intentional. Don’t tell me that the Govt. is not aware of this over supply situation. They don’t live in the Mars unaware of job market needs.  They have been continuing this for a long time, without any slightest objection. To me it looks like the employer class publishes some fake reports with some phony numbers like “we need 100,000 high skill guys within the next year otherwise our economy will die”. Govt. blindly uses those reports to justify the wide scaled immigration.  So, this is a well planned blue print.

Of course now Canadian economy is 100% dependent on the immigrants, not Alberta gold rush. A good number of people depend on it for their bread & butter.

Though Sebastian brought a very good issue about the negative side of the immigration which Canada is failed to recognize yet. That creating a well divided country between immigrants and non immigrants. “In one side all the immigrants the other side the whites”. This is the truth behind the so called multi-culture. This happened not due to race or color, but from the concept of have and have-not. Canada may be able to increase its population, though they are getting a segregated population where a large number of people with a feeling of frustration and ill treatment from the rest. When the difference between the haves and have-nots increase then the society can’t live in peace. Just look, 35.6% of the immigrants live under the poverty line by Statcanada. I now see even the French settlers from Quebec are fleeing.  http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118680079272894989.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Sha. Florida, USA.


Julio 24- 2008
Hello to all,

I have not visited this site for a while but it seems like I never stop visiting it! The same discussion goes on an. I have a couple of things to contribute so here I go.

First, for those Canadians that say that immigrants should not complain about what they get and seem to ignore what your government does overseas, I will enclose links to two newspaper articles regarding the activities of Canadian officials (Quebec, more precisely) in Argentina in 2002-2003.

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/nota.asp?nota_id=418042

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/sociedad/3-25647-2003-09-19.html

Both of them are in Spanish (Argentina's official language by the way; they informed about meetings that the Canadian officials were organizing in different cities about immigration to Quebec. The target population: young professionals (20-40 years old) married and with children. The other article is an interview with Quebec's ministry of immigration, who claimed that they were not only seeking professionals but other workers (he talked about getting Argentineans butchers!) So, there is no way to question whether YOUR government does nothing to attract people when in fact they do!

On a personal note, there was once a meeting in the U.S. university where I was doing my Master's degree (Indiana University-Bloomington). It was organized by the Canadian consulate in Buffalo; why would they go to a large U.S. campus to recruit graduates that ended up wasted as well as those with education from other places? If recognizing credentials is the problem, then how is it possible that someone holding a U.S. degree ends up the same way as any other foreigner? If English skills is the problem, I think the fact that someone being able to get a degree studying in English should tell something about that person's ability to use the language even if it is not his/her mother tongue.

I totally agree with the segregated society concept. In fact, very early on I noticed that something odd was going on. We had just "landed" in Toronto a couple of days earlier (in the dead of winter) and we were doing some window-shopping in a Mall. Wherever we went I started noticing the people that were working there and then it were when it hit me: where were the "white Canadians"? I asked my wife. In the U.S. I had seen people from any color you like doing that kind of jobs, but in that mall at least virtually all the people on the low-level jobs were non-whites. If you could find a "white" then it most likely had an "accent". That scene repeated itself in the coming days, but I had still another semester to go in the U.S. to get my masters degree so we went back. Later, I found people with graduate degrees (MBAs) from the U.S. doing odd jobs in Canada -a story that has gone on and on and on. No, I was not looking for a job at my level of education and neither I needed to "retrain" to get something at the "Canadian level"; in fact, I targeted a lower market as I assume that I should be able to get into the kind of jobs that a college graduate could get; of course the employers thought otherwise; the kind of jobs an educated immigrant can land are the same that a high school graduate. It's odd, isn't it?

I only hope that those who are stuck in Canada can realize their mistake before running out of time and $$$ to bail out. Fortunately for us, I was able to cut my losses and bail out after less than a year and I am grateful I did! It is an unbearable punishment to be forced to discard the use of your mind and skills.

Good luck to all
Gabriel. Atlanta, USA.


Julio 25- 2008
Good observations Gabriel. I feel really amazed finding the Canadians blindly blaming the immigrants and totally indifferent about their own government’s deceiving policy. You need have a little background about the Canadians to understand this attitude. Almost all Canadians believe that Canada is the best place on the earth and the immigrants coming here must be grateful to be here as they all come from the under countries.  No matter what is your qualification or status back home you’ll be accepted in Canada with this impression. So if you complain about anything in Canada then you have to get a very hard look. In their eyes all immigrants, especially from the ones from the Asia must got heaven in Canada.  Don’t like it then leave it, but can’t complain.

This mentality if attributed by another fact; that is the quality of the recent immigrants. High level of professional class immigration in Canada is not very old, till the early 90’s major contributors in Canadian immigration were the asylum seekers, who used to be very happy in Canada given any job or no job at all. Average Canadians still consider all immigrants are within that class and expect that mentality.  In their eyes you beg for immigration at their door and they kindly gave it to you. They never try to realize the difference of these 2 classes.  Intentionally never want to know how desperate their Govt. is to sell the good name of their country to lure the professional immigrants for false hope.

In short, you deserve to suffer just because you are from “under country”. Result?  A society with a well divided racial profile giving an identity less nation. Sometimes I hear allegations from the Canadians like immigrants can’t think Canada as their home… can’t leave their culture…. Very funny. You’ll treat them as 2nd class citizens and they’ll be obedient to your system?

Sha. Florida, USA.

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Junio 1- 2008
Hola quiero decirle una persona que es de Tabasco, que yo fui a una oficina en Tijuana que solicita trabajadores para Canadá pero que estoy tratando de saber si es legal, si lo es, yo te envío el teléfono. Si te preocupas apoyo ya tienes posada en esta ciudad. saludos a tabasco leo todos los comentarios sobre sus experiencias, la verdad me duele pero vamos pa delante, los latinos somos fuertes para soportar todos estos atropellos quiero preguntarle a la muchacha que tiene un hijo como le fue para inscribir a su hijo en el sistema educativo de Canadá.

Gracias saludos
Archi, Tijuana, Mexico.


Junio 1- 2008
Reading all of the comments on this post at least make me realize that I am not the only one who is pretty much a slave here in Canada. I have been looking for a job here for almost 3 years now (in June it will be 3 years). I have only been able to find work as a labourer in drill pipe manufacturing factory and at Dell call center which closed in April. My plan was to get the training at Dell and then leave, I ended up staying form 16 months till the center closed.

I have a degree in mechanical engineering from Los Angeles, California and I got it back in June 2005. Since then, I have not been able to find employment with which I can support myself. I have applied to countless positions (as you can imagine), made cold calls and dropped by 100s companies to drop off my resume but to no avail. Same is the situation with my brother.

If someone comes from overseas, they are told that they don’t have the right experience or training even though their experience is far more what any degree can provide. In all of Canada especially Alberta, there are jobs here in engineering and other fields but not for the immigrants. Where my brother works (Jacobs engineering) as a drafter or an assistant, he mentioned that after he was hired, at least 4-5 new grads or engineers on training were hired as well without any consideration given to him even though he has a degree in engineering.

The immigrants are told to come here and work on the kind of jobs that the people here and the government here wants them to do. For example if you are an Indian, you are expected to work in a call center no matter what you qualifications or experience. Same is true for other groups. So my advice to those who are thinking of coming here based on the lies they have been told, don’t waste your life and money. I would love to get out of here right now but since I have spent this much time, I should wait for my citizenship. I am thinking of gong to the Middle East and they seem to have a preference for western passports.

Regards
Syed. Alberta, Canadá.


Junio 1- 2008
Good day. I am a black man born in Montreal, Canada. My parents are from Nigeria, Africa. I moved from Toronto last year, after a divorce and have been looking for employment as a Software developer. I do well in interviews but always told that they feel that I am over qualified for the positions (some paying up to $65,000). I have a BSc in Electrical Engineering (University of Miami), Oracle Certified Professional Application Developer and was a Supervisor/Sr IT Analyst for the City Of Toronto. As a hubby, I won the silver medal in the Canadian National boxing Championships in 1997. I am an extremely hard worker , speak the English language quite well (did my high schooling in Manchester, England), a team player and don't see a reason why I can't find employment here in Calgary. I have even written the Mayor about this. Any help would be appreciated.

Thank you.
Cris. Calgary, Canadá


Junio 2- 2008
Hi
I would like to ask if someone know what is to seek help from the immigration offices and organizations looks like.

Are they useful? Understand new immigrants needs? Are they willing/capable to help? Are their help effective? They are supposed to help immigrants as it is claimed. Aren't they?

Thank you
Reuven L. Argentina/Israel.


Junio 5- 2008
Buen día, reciban un saludo respetuoso, en verdad me gustaría una oportunidad de trabajo soy Mexicano pero actualmente me encuentro  en la provincia de Québec y es duro aquí debido a que las agencias de empleo te contratan y te despiden cuando quieren muchas veces ni me pagan y estoy muy angustiado. Ojala pueda responder este mensaje.

Juan, Ingeniero Agrónomo Fitotecnista. Québec, Canadá.


Junio 5- 2008
To Reuven L,

Yes, in general they'll help.

The Question is his effectiveness.

That depends on what kind of help you seek.

If you are looking for help like how to find a place to live.. apply for healthcards.. driving license...whatever you need for initial settlement then they are very effective. They may help you in preparing a resume, basic job searching tips.

However, if you look for job searching assistance then they can do nothing but to give you some usual guidelines ...tips..

Sha. Orlando, USA.


Junio 7- 2008
I feel very frustrated that companies in Calgary do not give a chance or an interview, I speak fluently advanced English, I have a wide experience in customer service and 5 years in recruitment, but it has been difficult to even get a phone call all the jobs I get a call are retail pay jobs of 9-12 the hour which is not suitable for my experience and background.

I am hoping in my heart that someone will give me a chance to work here in my area.

Betty. Recursos Humanos/Secretaria de República Dominicana en Calgary, Canadá.


Junio 7- 2008
I must to know how to do to verify that a Recruiting Agency is legal, for example this company /cirsjobs.ca is a legal company, that I should ask you for the owner to make me sure that it is a legal company, I want to know this to be able to determine if I'll apply or not with this company to work at Canada.

Erick E. Santiago, República Dominicana.


Junio 8- 2008
Antes que nada, gracias por interesarse en esto que a mi ver no es mas que discriminación en Vancouver

Salimos del apartamento el día 5 de Junio de 2008 con fin de llegar a una oficina de enlace del consulado de Colombia para resolver unas dudas sobre el visado.

Yo soy Mexicano y mi amigo Colombiano, no sabíamos bien como llegar solo sabíamos la dirección que era en Surrey, 24th av. y el numero suite 202. Enseguida tomamos los medios necesarios para llegar allá como bus y sky train, tan pronto llegamos averiguamos donde quedaba esa oficina.

Después de haber terminado lo que habíamos venido a hacer a la oficina, nos preguntamos: -Y ahora que hacemos? Decidimos por el momento ir a comer y partimos a un 7 eleven que habíamos visto donde nos dejo el bus, compramos comida y estando sentados pensábamos nuevamente que haríamos, pues teníamos mucho tiempo libre. Reflexionamos que estábamos cerca de la frontera y de lo bueno que seria ir y tomarnos unas fotos para mostrarlas a nuestros amigos y familiares. Jamás pensamos cruzar hacia USA. Investigamos el como llegar a la frontera y la única forma era ir en taxi desde White Rock.

Así lo hicimos pero tardábamos mucho en pedir el taxi, entonces fuimos a una tienda en una gasolinera en la cual la persona que atendía ese negocio nos presto su teléfono. El taxi llego y partimos. Nos bajamos en un Duty Free, dijimos bueno ya estamos aquí. ahora para donde? , entonces entramos al Duty Free, yo quería entrar para ir al baño y mi amigo para comprar algo, pero sorpresa nuestra un empleado nos embiste y nos pregunta nuestra nacionalidad y destino. Respondimos normalmente a las preguntas y el empleado pregunto: -Que van a comprar? porque ustedes solo pueden hacer uso de nuestra cafetería. Nosotros sabíamos que podíamos comprar en aquel sitio porque somos extranjeros, pero bueno no fue tan importante, total salimos de esa tienda y comenzamos a tomar fotos  junto al Duty Free  a un parque muy bonito. Caminamos un poco más y vimos a lo lejos un monumento con banderas. Quisimos acercarnos para tomar fotos pero pensamos que seria mejor cruzar la calle y preguntar para evitar problemas. Llegamos a unas oficinas de la policía de la frontera  y nos sentamos en una banca a un costado pensando en a quien le podríamos preguntar acerca de la foto que queríamos tomar.

En ese momento vimos que había un oficial inspeccionando una camioneta en el estacionamiento. Le comente a mi amigo que fuera y preguntara , porque yo no se mucho Ingles. El fue, se acerco y pregunto si se podía tomar fotos en ese lugar. El oficial que se encontraba en ese momento solo le respondió que no y que por favor le mostráramos los documentos. Mi amigo le dijo -claro, yo soy estudiante- y le enseño el pasaporte. Yo no yo lo había  llevado porque estaba lloviendo y se me podía mojar. El oficial de policía no dio oportunidad de explicar cuando ya nos decía que lo acompañáramos adentro a la oficina.

Ya estando dentro nos empezaron a interrogar acerca de lo que hacíamos en el País y el como y donde nos habíamos conocido mi Amigo y Yo. Luego pasamos con una oficial la que por segunda vez nos interrogaba y me pedía que dijera el día exacto en el que abandonaría el País.  Yo soy solo un turista y no sabia que responder. Además he disfrutado mucho de estadía en esta hermosa ciudad y quiero estar un tiempo o por lo menos hasta que se vaya mi amigo que termia sus estudios a finales de julio de 2008.

Por instantes se paraban de su lugar e iban a hablar con otros oficiales, hasta que otro oficial por tercera vez me interroga y me pide fecha exacta en la que voy a regresar al México. Mi amigo no se encontraba en ese momento ya que estaba tratando de llamar a alguien que me trajera el pasaporte. Yo no hablaba bien ingles y le trataba de decirle a oficial que no lo estaba entendiendo. Entonces el pregunto por el paradero de mi amigo y le dije que el estaba afuera tratando de hablar con alguien por teléfono.

El oficial salió de la oficina y le grito a mi amigo que viniera. El acerco hacia nosotros pero el oficial en tono déspota le dijo que se no se le acercara tanto y mantuviera la distancia. El caso es que el oficial me insistió en la pregunta que yo cuando abandonaría el país, ósea, fecha y yo le dije que no sabia que tal vez me quedaría diez días mas y el dijo “ok come on whit me” y llego al mostrador donde empezó a escribir infinidad de cosas en el computador sin yo saber de que se trataba y sin mas ni menos de pronto me entrego una hoja en la cual me daba como plazo para abandonar el país hasta el 15 de junio y no mas.

La mayoría de esto imagino que esta grabado porque estábamos rodeados de cámaras y tenemos testigos como los de las tiendas a donde preguntamos como llegar a la frontera y se pueden dar cuenta que nunca hicimos nada.

Quisiéramos fuera considerado este escrito (el fin es que aun quiero conocer mas de Canadá) y no es justo que me corran de su país así, solo por preguntar si podíamos tomar una foto. Yo llegue el 25 de abril

Oscar S. Mexico.


Junio 11- 2008
Hola!!

Es increíble el grado de discriminación que se vive día a día en esta ciudad (Montreal). Al llegar aquí, justo a la semana me llevo mi esposo al hospital a urgencias pues sufría de un tremendo dolor, lo que viví fue como una película de terror, estuve 4 horas en espera antes de que me atendieran, después muy superficialmente me reviso una enfermera y me mando a mi casa, yo seguía mucho peor y en un descuido me paso mi esposo (yo en silla de ruedas) al consultorio del medico, este me vio tan mal que me mando hacer estudios y ya no salí, permanecí en urgencias dos días en una camilla, los doctores y enfermeras hablando en voz alta, las luces fuertísimas y hasta el tercer día consiguió mi esposo un cuarto (compartido) y estuve por 6 días sin probar alimento, pues no sabían hasta cuando se desocupaba el quirófano, a los siete días me operaron y esa noche la enfermera no me atendió por no saber yo francés, no me llevo el cómodo, permanecí mojada toda la noche y no me llevo alimento, hasta que llego mi esposo y me ayudo, llevándome también algo de comer, la visita era de tan solo unos minutos pero como se tardo en ayudarme llegaron los de seguridad para sacarlo.

Después cuando ya pude yo caminar fui con la trabajadora social que migración me designo y apenas comenzaba yo a comentarle lo que me sucedió, me dice.... "No en Canadá no hay discriminación" y ese fue el fin de mi queja. Justo ahorita regreso de hacer unas compras y en una joyería no me quisieron atender en Ingles, me dijo el tipo que era solo para personas que hablaban francés porque el era francés.........Yo hablo el ingles como mi segundo idioma, y creo que es un idioma comercial, acá hay gente de todo el mundo y obviamente no espera uno que el dependiente o dueño de la tienda hable X idioma pero el Ingles si. He podido comprobar que Canadá es un país mucho más racista que U.S.A.  No me refiero al gobierno (gringo) sino al pueblo a las personas en la calle, tiendas, escuelas, etc.

He vivido en varias partes de Estados Unidos y nunca me pasó algo así, nunca sufrí ningún tipo de discriminación. Canadá tiene un discurso en el extranjero de país tolerante, democrático, multicultural, pero eso es tan solo un gancho para que las personas vengan y lo único que les importa a ellos es la mano de obra, hay una mafia entre empresarios y gobierno, entras  sin visa, pides refugio, te dan ayuda social, alrededor de 500 dólares por persona, esto te permite pagar tu departamento y mal comer. Te ves obligado a trabajar para que te alcancen los gastos pero si reportas mas de 200 dólares te retiran la ayuda y que pasa acá la mayoría de trabajo son temporales unos días y ya, a buscar en otra agencia (que inclusive se anuncian en los periódicos) y a buscar otro trabajo, obviamente como no es declarado y te pagan al contado el pago es mucho menor, entonces así se quedan por acá tres cuatro años o hasta mas, te rechazan tu petición de residente y te mandan a tu país.

La verdad si tienes muchas ilusiones o piensas  que al venir acá realizaras tu sueño "canadiense" piénsalo dos veces, ya que es mucho más difícil de lo que parece............

Suerte a todos los que están atorados por acá!!
Natalia. Montreal, Canadá.


Junio 19- 2008
Hello,

I am not an immigrant, yet. But I want to work in Canada and after I will find for myself something useful (helpful) and I will file for a permanent resident status. In other words, before I will decide if I want to live in Canada I must find a job and live in your Country for a while.

Please anybody who can help me with information how to find an employer/job?

My main occupation is on site construction supervisor, but I can work as a bricklayer, carpenter or a welder. And I speak, read and write in English with almost no problem.

I Just need an employer who will be willing to hire me and in the same time will support my working visa application with arrange employment confirmation.

Thank you in advance for your co-operation.

Sergej. Krasnodar, Russia.


Junio 19- 2008
Hola inmigrantes, saludo especial para todos los colombianos residente en Brandon, Manitoba. Los felicito por el paso tan fuerte que dieron. Adelante estamos con ustedes. No se olviden de Colombia, país bello y pujante. Arriba Colombianos.

Melida. Bogota, Colombia.


Junio 22- 2008
My  application to Canada is under process and likely to be through in next 30 days, hence in order to proceed ahead I have started applying for jobs, I understand that it takes a long time in finding jobs in Canada and unless you land up in CA it is difficult to get a job. Hence with this website I am trying to build a network, so by the time I land up in Canada I will have less time to struggle, As I am confident about My qualification and experience with international firms in my field gained so far I am at Par as compared to my counterparts who hail from international consulting agencies from USA and UK. So In my opinion it should not take me more time to get acquainted with Canadian main stream proffessionals, rules bye laws building codes etc.

My suggestion is if you accept such prospective employees it will be of a great help for them to settle faster in the mainstream and provide them an opportunity to contribute to the growth of Canada immediately starting too. Not only this it will also help reduce the govt's budget on providing social security, medical help etc. to immigrants as employers may take care of that. I am not very sure about this but there must be some policy regarding this.

There is much more that I can suggest but I think this is it for today.

Thanks for providing a platform to express me and many more alike that may get benefited by this initiative of yours.

With Kind Regards
Sudhir. India.


Junio 22- 2008
To Sudhir.

Good to see your positive attitude. Though don't think that you are alone doing such things. All immigrants follow the same steps.  Remember that you worked for US or UK companies from India or elsewhere doesn't mean anything to them. I saw many guys with IT degrees even from the USA working in computer assembling plants.

But it is true that, the only magic is if you can manage personally someone who can directly land you a job.  This is a part of Canadian culture, called "networking" and in simple sense it is nothing but nepotism.  Why is this?  Canada doesn't have enough professional opportunities even to offer their own graduates.  Then think about the immigrants with foreign credentials.

Study hear more before finally coming and have a back up plan ready.

Sha. Orlando, USA.


Junio 25- 2008
I am here in Canada for more than 2 Years and I am waiting for my nomination from my employer this year and hopefully to get my immigrant visa next year. But as of now I was informed by our government "Philippines" that my wife filed a case against me, a case which involves a relationship with other women, I would like to inquire if my immigrant visa will be affected because of this case ..

Thank you and more power.
Jhon. Alberta, Canadá.


Junio 25- 2008
To Reuven,

It would be a big mistake to come here.  My parents are from Israel, and not a day goes by where they don't regret coming to this country, and we have been here for more than thirty years.

Stay in Israel.
Moishe.


Junio 26- 2008
As a first generation of immigrant to our great Canadian Nation, I have no choice but to commend your efforts in providing this excellent service for the  ambitiously goaded immigrants who espouse progress beyond their national boundaries.

Thank you and more grease to your elbow.
Olaniyi. Canada.


Junio 26- 2008
I’m from Palestine but I live right know in Florida/USA. I have a work visa permanent immigration from USA but I try to visit Canada with my wife for vacation just two week. And I need to know if I need another visa or no and if I need visa what I supposed to do to get the visa to Canada.

Thank you.
Mahmoud. USA.


Junio 26- 2008
To Jhon

I don’t think your work visa will be affected since you have already submitted your documents to Government CIC.

Although once filed in the Philippines and approved by the Prosecutors, you will have a warrant of arrest issued and you will not be eligible to return to the Philippines.

David, a lawyer from the Philippines and a prospective immigrant to Canada.

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Mayo 3- 2008
I would like to ask about what is happening with the forum as usually you published one message every day and since april 12 you just have one message. It is there any goverment interference with this forum?
 
Regards,
Richard. Canadá.

Mayo 7- 2008
Llevo 5 años esperando que los tipos de inmigración me den el permanent residence.  Hemos pasado por de todo (gracias a que estoy casada desde mas de 8 anos con un canadiense y que aplique estando dentro de Canadá).  Ahora vivo en Alberta, pero lo menos que este país necesita son skill inmigrants.  Ellos quieren cheap labour, nada más.  Ahora hasta la edad, los primeros dígitos del SIN # (para saber si uno esta on work permit) o de plano le dicen a uno que no contratan gente que este en work permit (Safeway Edmonton, American Income life).  Yo creo que deberíamos formar un movimiento, todos los skill inmigrants que estamos aquí, para hacer valer nuestros derechos.  No puede ser que si yo salgo del país luego de estar 5 años acá, que por que aplique en Canadá pierda todos mis derechos.  Si alguna vez alguien pensó en emigrar a Canadá por una mejor vida, mejor váyase para los US, acá el servicio de inmigración es tan ineficiente que es just like hell.

Deberíamos todos hacer algo para que nuestros derechos se hagan valer, en lugar de estar esperando por anos a que estos "señores" figure out what they have to do.

Si quieren que nos organicemos, yo soy el primer candidato, es tan estúpido.  Y uno llama a inmigración y le dicen que tardan 16 meses en procesar una aplicación!!

So no entiendo porque 5 anos y todavía no tengo nada.  He tenido que sufrir en Canadá las peores humillaciones en mi vida, me muerdo la lengua antes de decir lo que pienso, porque estoy segura que si lo pongo en las noticias, estos HP me fletan en minutos.

Cuenten conmigo, y por favor, ayúdennos a terminar con esta mentira de que necesitan skill inmigrants, son solo idioteces.

Lo que necesitan son peones que les trabajen ojala bajo el salario mínimo y sin abrir la boca.

Si yo hubiera sabido hace 5 anos que esto era just hell, en mi vida hubiera venido a Canadá!!

Gracia por escuchar,

Vivian. Alberta, Canadá.

Mayo 7- 2008
As a patient here in GF Strong may I request to your good office all the forms and requirements to sponsor my nephew and his wife to come here to help me and assist me of my daily errand as a home support cause he is a graduate nurse likewise his wife -I also believe it is cheaper for the provincial govt. to send a home support nanny than my request to your good office- If its not too much of asking to your good office.

To grant me this request& at the momentum only defending on my disability pension/however my sister is behind me when it comes to monetary funds.

Emiliano V. Vancouver, Canadá.

Mayo 10- 2008
One thing is for sure after reading a lot this forum: Canada isn't for "skilled professional with a lot of degrees looking for offices multinationals companies"! But, how about other workers like Pastry Chefs? A pastry chef with a Canada degree must get a jobs 30-60k , doesn't?

Or what about opening a business in Canada? Is that possible? I didn't see anyone asking about this. Everyone is looking for jobs, but what about investing in Canada? Is Canada a good country for entrepreneurs?

I like my country, I have a good life here, but I always wanted to get out. My father is US citizen and I'm on the looooong wait for my US family GC. Now I'm thinking maybe Canada it's a short way or a plan B while I'm waiting for US. Of course everything I read here changed a lot the idea I had of Canada. But I think that doesn't change my plans to immigrate there. If I do, I'll try my best to blend to the Canadian culture, study and get a degree there, try to lost the accent, learn French and get the citizenship.  But I would never do that without money. I mean, I wouldn’t immigrate depending only with the money earned working there. And I would not try to find a job because there isn't a good one there. I would try opening a business, a restaurant or something that I already know how to be successful. I know I can get good ideas and nothing better than have your own business. What do you think about this? you think I'm crazy? You have to be millionaire to open a small business in Canada? Bottom line: I'll immigrate to Canada, I'm pretty sure, but just because I have a backup money (60K year) from my business at my home country to support me. No way I would leave my comfortable house, new car etc to a place that you will live at poverty line. I want to leave because here there is too much crime and it will pass 20 years or more to my country become a good one. My family is from US, and even that I lived in Brazil my entire life I feel that I don't belong here. Please tell me what you think about my plans!!

Newton W. Brazil.

Mayo 10- 2008
En mi opinión personal, estimo que en Canadá existe mucha discriminación laboral y racial para  el latino. Y digo esto, porque un latino que quiere ir a trabajar a ese país le ponen muchas trabas al visado, con el fin de no permitir su ingreso. Existe mucha gente latina trabajadora, gente que sin duda alguna pueden apoyar para que un país sea próspero en su desarrollo. y creo que no es la manera correcta de como la burocracia imponen sus reglas egoísta y nefastas. Yo soy un latino, y desde el llano pido a los políticos Canadienses que  legislen  en materia migratoria por el bien y  la  imagen de su  país.

Segundo D. Lambayeque, Peru.

Newton,


Mayo 10- 2008
As an entrepreneur in Montreal, I can give you some insights about the life of a small business man. Canada is extremely expensive to do business since you cannot find people for less than 10 dollars an hour. On top of that, 50% of your income goes to the government; let's add to that business licenses and occupation taxes. The cheapest accountant would charge you about 100 dollars a month.

This would be ok if the market was strong enough but the reality this is a country where most people are middle class so that means that most people will have very little money to spend after paying rent, food, gas and taxes. You should also take into consideration that every immigrant that comes to this country will try to open a business after realizing that they cannot find a job so the competition is extremely high for small business.

Most people that I know with small businesses make less money that they would make working for a company  and working long hours. A friend from Mexico, after realizing that he was not going to be able to get a job in engineering, opened a corner store and after few years is making about 50K a year but this is working weekends and having his family to help him. An average engineering job would pay him 60K so he is working double for less plus he has no benefits and no employment insurance. As self employed, you have no right to employment insurance.

Successful people in business have developed networks for business and barriers of entry. Italians for example dominate the construction industry and control most of the unions so it is next to impossible to open a construction business since you will be blocked due to the unions. The Jewish community controls most of the financial and real estate business so if you would like to get into that, you better marry a woman that is part of the community.


What is the best in Canada? The best is to land a job with the government. Government jobs have benefits, job security and salary scales according to education. You would never get the same salary with a small business in Canada. However, it is not easy to land a job in the government due to unions since they always hire internally unless there is nobody willing to do the job (And this is next to impossible). You have some government openings as a bus drivers or garbage collection but not so easy to get those even.

Not trying to be pessimistic but give you the reality. If you have money, you better off investing in Latin America. My brother went to Mexico and is doing well since the market is huge and labor is cheap. No unions or high taxes to pay. My brother in law decided to try luck over there and is doing ok.

Hope this helps,
Raul. Montreal, Canada.

Mayo 12- 2008
Veo realismo en sus redacciones. En nuestro país existe una empresa nueva de consultoría en migración a Canadá llamada CIIB Canadá. ¿Podrían decirme si dicha organización es en realidad canadiense y si es una empresa seria, en la cual se pueda confiar?

Estela M. Quetzaltenango, Guatemala.

Mayo 13- 2008
Estela,

Real immigration consultants are members of the Canadian association of immigration consultants http://www.csic-scci.ca/index.htm. If you are going to hire a consultant, make sure that is member of this association. The government can only deal with members of this association so anyone else is bogus and should be avoided.

Consultants can be useful to assess you situation and provide you with a strategy. They can follow up with the government and act in your behalf.

As for CIIB Canada, ask them for their membership ID and check on the immigrations consultant website to verify this.

Raul. Montreal, Canada.


Mayo 14- 2008
Hola Buen día, antes que nada, muchas gracias por este espacio que me han dado para mi siguiente petición;

Yo estuve trabajando en Canadá en Edmonton por parte de McDonalds y quisiera volver a tener la oportunidad de volver a ir a trabajar a Canadá, ya que en mi país es demasiado difícil conseguir un buen trabajo, a pesar de tener Carrera Profesional, Titulo y Cédula Profesional y en el tiempo que estuve trabajando en Edmonton en Alberta, me di cuenta que allá todos son iguales y no hay elitismo en ese sentido, no importa que uno sea mujer eso es lo de menos halla y la verdad no se si me puedan apoyar para poder regresar y tener un trabajo.

De ante mano les agradezco muchísimo que tengan un espacio y que exista gente que nos ayude y nos escuche....
Muchísimas gracias...

Sandra. Mexico.


Mayo 14- 2008
I am Assist Architect from a small town in India. I have 7 years of experience in my job and I have completed 3 years diploma after completed 12th grade.

I have decided apply for Canadian immigration under Economic federal skilled class. I have got all the forms from the website on my own and will be applying independently. The only problem I have is regarding the work experience letter. I have been told by people that immigration department has a specific division or branch for this and we should write it according to that only.

I couldn't find that division anywhere so could any of you guys help me with it.

Does it exist? If so where can I find it or should I make it according to myself.

I will appreciate your help in this regard.

Thank you.
Sanjeev. Ferozepur, India.

Mayo 15- 2008
I was in contracts for 6 months and just ended; now I've just moved to Toronto in search for a better future. I’m on a extremely bad financial situation, so no leads me anywhere and I am surviving on the kindness of friends, I am no longer in the social services system, because I don't fit into any category. Despite being an active tax payer since 2000 and I only recently unemployed, I want someone who helped me move in a right direction that I might go for basic needs like food, shelter, medical care and foremost an opportunity to work here in Toronto.

M. Hanafiah. Art Director from Singapore living in Toronto.

Mayo 15- 2008
Newton,

What Raul said about starting a new business is 100% correct.

Don't think that you are the only one who thought about it; there are many who tried.  BUT, very few could last long finally.  Reasons are the same Raul mentioned.  90% of the lucky ones who could get success have to do business targeting their own community.  Like; open an Indian grocery in an Indian majority area in Toronto; or Travel agency...As you can easily imagine those fields are also filled long back.

Why do you think business can be the key of success?  If business were so easy then you wouldn't hear so many complain about the poor job market.  Apply your common sense.  Over all Canadian environments is not favorable for any financial activities.  That's why most of the big Canadian investors prefer to invest in US rather than investing in Canada.  No wonder job market is always very poor in Canada.

Raul is 100% correct also in saying the Govt. jobs.  Yes, if you can manage a Govt. job in Canada then you can find the heaven on the earth.  They enjoy super excellent benefits...relax work.  BUT, those jobs are only for themselves!  Yes, you'll get advertisements in the newspaper… Websites... Those are all to wash their hands from allegations.  Otherwise how would they say that they are democratic… equal opportunity employer.  Everybody knows the truth, if you aren't internally strongly referred then your application will be placed in the trash cans.  I was also too naive once and wasted my time and resources for the golden deer.

This reference is the key to success in Canada; doing business or getting a job.  Other than that no matter how hard you working, or how qualified you are, your life will remain in the dead end menial jobs.

Just wait for some years more and go to the USA.  Don't consider Canada as the Plan B unless you have illness that prevents you from working.

Shah. Orlando, USA.


Mayo 16- 2008
Hello Canada Immigration, I am an international student. I got my work permit three weeks ago, but I have a question about one of the conditions(--not allowed to work in health services) stated on the permit. Does it mean that I can't be employed as an administrative assistant in a doctor's office, or be a research assistant (for students) in a laboratory or hospital?

Nelson I. Toronto, Canadá.


Mayo 16- 2008
I came to Canada as a refugee in 1999, September 11. Since then I am struggling for a better living moving from one job to another, I never liked my job, and I always hoping for something better. I always wanted to work for the government as an interpreter or in public-relations, with my background in languages I can be an asset for "Canada immigration". I am fluent in English, French, and Arabic. I very good in conversational Chinese mandarin. I hope someday I’ll achieve my goal and become a government employee.

Hassene C. Calgary, Canadá.


Mayo 16- 2008
Most of the recruiting agencies in Canada do not have any knowledge of the qualifications and skills of foreign trained professionals, therefore the system of hiring workers through profit oriented recruiters must be modified or regulated

Wilfred W. Toronto, Canadá.


Mayo 20- 2008
Necesito me den direcciones o nombres de compañías en México que me puedan contratar para trabajar en Canadá, me urge , comuníquense conmigo, se los agradeceré.

Modesto B. Veracruz, México.


Mayo 20- 2008
¡Hola! Me gustaría que me enviaran información acerca de como ir a trabajar a Canadá pero que posibilidad hay de que una empresa me contrate desde mi país y si me dan capacitación y los tramites que se necesiten para este efecto.

Una duda más ¿Se necesita visa o basta con el pasaporte?.

Por el momento es todo y espero su contestación.
Hasta luego.

Gerardo L. Tabasco, México.


Mayo 22- 2008
Hola!!!
Soy un joven estudiante en gestiones de proyectos.
Hace dos años estoy buscando forma para ir a trabajar a Canadá, pero no encuentro manera para.

No conozco a nadie y en mi país de origen no hay una embajada canadiense por ahí, y donde resido ahora es muy difícil conseguirlo por que dan muchísimas trabas.
Necesito quien pueda ayudarme para el acceso a Canadá.

Muchas gracias!!!
Pedro A. Dakar, Senegal.


Mayo 22- 2008
After working at call centres, frustrated with life in Canada, I started my own publication as there came a time when mainstream newspapers stopped taking my articles. My husband has had to work two jobs to support the magazine as well as the family. But the struggle continues. I repent the day i kicked my cushy job in India to become a jobless in Canada for so long. though I managed to get a somewhat decent job in a public sector, they kicked me out saying that my english skills are not adequate!! That too after spending a lifetime in editing English newspapers, magazines and running English bulletins!! I am fighting now.

www.theasianoutlookmagazine.com

Thanks and kind regards
Neelam


Mayo 24- 2008
Hola, me llamo Mirtha y vengo del Caribe. Arribe a Canadá a mediados del 2007 sola con mi hijo en un programa de inmigración independiente, llena de sueños e ilusiones alimentada por la propaganda de alto nivel de vida en este País, y creyendo que el difícil proceso de selección y el alto precio de todo el proceso serian considerados a mi llegada. Soy Ingeniera desde hace más de 20 años con experiencia de trabajo técnica y comercial, además de que he dedicado gran parte de mi vida a estudiar varios idiomas para mi comunicación y mi superación profesional.

Desde el principio me enfoque en mi reevaluación aprovechando las "bondadosas oportunidades" de ayuda que brinda el gobierno canadiense a los inmigrantes como yo que quieren reinsertarse en su mercado de trabajo inicie un curso en una academia.

Desde mi llegada me he sometido a innumerables  entrevistas de trabajo que solo me han dejado estrés y call backs que nunca llegan. De entrada, pasar una entrevista de trabajo es toda una carrera universitaria, de hecho debes perder un tiempo apreciable preparándote en cursos para "aprender a entrevistarte", luego es absurdo cuando llega ese momento como los objetivos del entrevistador nunca se conocen, y para trabajar por ejemplo en una tienda doblando ropas o como support tienes que contestar  preguntas como: A que país te gustaría viajar? o cuando fue la ultima vez que discutiste con un co-worker? y finalmente cuando ni tu misma recuerdas porque estas sentada en esa conferencia de prensa entonces alguien te pregunta que sabes hacer y si puedes hacer ese trabajo, luego súmale que según el estandarte canadiense tu no calificas ni para doblar ropas en una tienda "canadiense" pues no te llaman para darte el empleo, aun cuando sabes que eres capaz de hacer un análisis de estado financiero de alto nivel, construir una eficiente base de dato en access, preparar una conferencia de GPRS en francés etc, etc. 

Créanme que la autoestima sufre y los sueños poco a poco se van convirtiendo en verdaderas pesadilla, porque además de no encontrar trabajo ya estas inmersa en la trampa de los Debts.

A casi un año de llegar solo he conseguido trabajo en una tienda por solo 8 pesos la hora y cuando te programan, entiéndase entre 6 o 20 horas semanales, multipliquen y verán que no alcanza ni para la renta que es bien alta. Para sobrevivir he tenido que hacer trabajos de limpieza y vivir súper ajustada a un presupuesto esperando que mi situación mejore.

Lo peor de todo es que mis grandes deseos de emprender han desaparecido, pues entre las preocupaciones de los billes que pagar y el trabajo duro (te pagan 8 y te exigen como si estuvieran pagándote 25/hour) ya no puedes pensar con claridad.

Aplique a una fabrica para trabajos de bajísimo nivel pero buscando al menos un full time que me saque del agujero pero tampoco me han llamado.

Estoy bien decepcionada de este país  creo que no deberían seguir alimentando políticas de inmigración para las cuales no están preparados. Si necesitan personas para los trabajos duros y desagradables, al menos deberían decirlo abiertamente y no buscar profesionales, sino buscar gente de oficios que sepan y quieran hacer esos trabajos.

Mirtha H. Toronto, Canadá.


Mayo 27- 2008
Mi bebé nació hace tres meses en Vancouver, Canadá. El gobierno ya me mando el acta de nacimiento, mi esposa y yo somos ilegales hace mas de un año, mi bebé no tiene su care card la cual le da derecho a su seguro medico se la negó el gobierno por que sus padres no tienen numero social.
Mi pregunta es si con un permiso de trabajo puede estabilizarse mi situación?

Muchas gracias por su respuesta a la brevedad

Horacio N. Vancouver, Canadá.

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Abril 6- 2008
You may have good logic, though one thing you totally forgot.
That is; the other countries you refered DO NOT market or sell themselves as immigrant paradise. Did you ever hear Jordan or any muslim countries inviting immigrants? Then how would you compare Jordan and Canada? Dare to compare the immigrants in Canada and USA/Australia. Be on the real world from the dream world.

Other countries (who are worse in your eyes) don't lure anyone with false hope. In the scale of human rights those countries may be inferior. All countries have the right to determine their way of life. Let them decide their own unless they adopt any hypocritic decieving polciy like Canada.
 
Here is the whole point, immigrants in Canada didn't come forcefully. They were all lured by your Govt's super advertising to get a "better" life in the land of paradise that is dying for professional immigrants. What's the better life? Engineers flipping burgers or accountants mopping floor. If you believe the least in human right then be vocal against your own Govt.
Shah. Florida, USA


Abril 6- 2008
Good day,
I would like to ask a few questions regarding education in Canada.

My husband and i are both planning on going to Canada to complete diploma programs at colleges. Most colleges provide 2 year diploma progams with optional co-operative work experience (between the first and second year). We are hoping that the education and work opportunity, will count as Canadian experience.

However none of the colleges can actually tell us, how realistic it is to get a job off-campus.  Or if you can actually get a job upon graduation. 
Does anyone have some info....please share!

Thank you...
Patricia E. Ukraine

Abril 7- 2008
Hi Patricia of Ukraine,

I happen to work in the education industry in Montreal. I work for a college in computer science and a university in the business faculty. It is hard to tell what are your chances if you don't give us your field but I can tell you that in the computing industry are about 50% of chances of getting a job in your field after graduation. That is right, a lot of my students that finished diplomas in computers end working at a grocery store or doing other menial jobs so that is why the school cannot commit to anything.

If you don't have any contacts or Canadian experience, I would say that your chances might be even less than 50% ( a lot less actually).

A lot of immigrants in this board complain that cannot get work with foreign degrees but the fact is that many local graduates with local degrees are facing the same issues. It is normal that the local industry give more opportunities to local graduates otherwise we wouldn't have work in the education industry.

Why government keep encouraging degree holders to immigrate?,  the answer is simple, rich candidates wouldn't come to Canada because of the high taxes and poor candidates are not of interest to Canada since they wouldn't bring any resources. The only possible candidates are the middle class of other countries that have the resources and energies to work hard for a better life. The government knows that immigrants won't work in their fields but they can care less since they bring the money to pay the taxes and pay their salaries. Think about, many government employees make 60-100K with only high school diplomas and need to keep their high paying jobs, they know that with less taxes their jobs are in jeopardy, how they can keep these high paying jobs? By bringing the immigrants that will pay these salaries and generate their jobs with all the paper work that immigration generates.

In a way, immigration is not very fear to local residents since you are bringing foreign competition that keeps bringing the salaries down. But who cares about this if government officials don't have to deal with local market conditions since they have job security protected by unions. Most of us immigrants wouldn't complain about immigration since we are immigrants ourselves, but the reality is that immigration brings salaries down to the benefit of companies but not to the average citizen.

The whole Canadian immigration is government business, they keep their high paying jobs by selling you a signed piece of paper. It brings work to them with all the paper work and fees they charge. It is like a legal mafia that charges you to be part of the Canadian territory.

I hope this helps to open your eyes. Canadian education is good but keep your feet on the ground.

Raul. Montreal, Canadá

Abril 8- 2008
This is in response to Patricia E. from Ukraine.

Patricia as you can see, most of us in this forum are not very impress with the Canadian living standard or the way we been treated. The reason why we feel this way about Canada is because we feel used and abused in many ways.

For one thing, we as immigrants are a big contribution to the  country's economy  we all pay our duties or at least, the ones I know and we all struggle in many different ways.

Colleges are some of the biggest beneficiaries of the immigrants in Canada. They will present you with a nice tango and dance glorifying their college on how good their college is, and how many graduates from their college have gotten employment, and how much they will help you to get a job placement when you finish your schooling.  All that blah blah is just to lure you into their college.

Ones you
have payed your school fees to them, and you have filled up more their bank account, you become a nuisance to them if you start asking questions or asking them for help  later on.

However, if you have the strongest will, the courage to go and face or even beg every possible employer in the field and in the  process of finishing your college to give you a chance to show them how good you are for the position, then by all means come to a Canadian college. And even then, I don't guarantee you that you will get hire.

By the other hand, if you still choose to come to a Canadian college, you must be really careful as to which college you choose to study  because there are some colleges which no one will hire you if you are coming out of that certain college.

I am just trying to prevent you from wasting your time and money in one of those colleges here ok.   But if by the other hand, what you want is the experience of seen the country, just take a trip.

Good luck to you, and my best regards as well.

Cristina. Alberta, Canadá.


Abril 9- 2008
Saludos, somos una pareja de mexicanos que queremos mejorar nuestra calidad de vida y queremos mudarnos a Canadá a